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Folder: - BRAZIL - [for Brazilian members] 04/06/2005 22:06:57 GMT
Please post all discussions that concerns Brazil in this folder.




Folder: Internationals in Georgia [US] 02/23/2005 00:33:12 GMT
Who are the teams going to the Internationals in Atlanta, Georgia? We are the L3 Robot Rulers from Western New York and would like to know who is going. Please post your response in the United States folder under
Miscellaneous
and then under folder
1 World Festival in Atlanta, Georgia.

Thanks
L3 Robot Rulers

Discussion: Internationals em Atlanta, Ge*rgia By: RobotRulers776 02/23/2005 00:33:12 GMT
Quem s*o as equipes que v*o ao Internationals em Atlanta, Ge*rgia? N*s somos as r*guas do rob* L3 de york novo ocidental e gostar*amos de saber quem est* indo. Afixe por favor sua resposta no dobrador unido dos estados sob variado e ent*o sob o festival do mundo do dobrador 1 em Atlanta, Ge*rgia. R*guas Do Rob* Dos Agradecimentos L3

Discussion: Tempo das miss*es No Limits !!! By: ateneu 04/06/2005 22:06:57 GMT
Alguma equipe conseguiu completar todas as miss*es no tempo determinado pela regra ???

  1. Message by: Inovares 03/28/2005 21:19:52 GMT
    Ainda n*o estamos testando o rob*. Estamos encontrando muitas dificuldades!


    1. Message by: ateneu 04/06/2005 22:06:57 GMT
      Duvidas ???

      Todos nos temos !!!!

      mrsalles@ig.com.br


    2. Message by: GMT


Discussion: Carregar pilhas carreg*veis sem retirar do rob* By: imaculada 04/06/2005 22:03:02 GMT
Alguem sabe como?

  1. Message by: ateneu 04/06/2005 22:03:02 GMT
    Boa tarde..

    Troque pilha a pilha, uma de cada vez, assim voce n*o perde o programa!!!
    Um abra*o Boa Sorte...


Discussion: b*nus By: Inovares 04/06/2005 22:05:51 GMT
o que * um objeto b*nus? Iniciamos as miss*es com b*nus? Quantos?

  1. Message by: ateneu 04/06/2005 22:05:51 GMT
    Cada bola ou cadiera * um tipo de bonus, iniciamos com todos os bonus, cada vez que voce usa a mao para come*ar uma miss*o errada voce perde bonus...

    Um Abra*o

    Prof. Marcelo R. Salles



Folder: - CANADA - [for Canadian members] 02/15/2005 00:47:44 GMT
Please post all discussions that concerns Canada in this folder.


Folder: Internationals in GA 02/15/2005 00:47:44 GMT
Who are the teams going to the Internationals in Atlanta, Georgia? We are the L3 Robot Rulers from Western New York and would like to know who is going. Please post your response in the United States folder under
Miscellaneous
and then under folder
1 World Festival in Atlanta, Georgia.

Thanks
L3 Robot Rulers


Folder: The Basket 11/16/2004 05:38:42 GMT
once there is a ball in the hoop, do they remove it?

Discussion: no By: Hakuna_Matata435 11/16/2004 05:38:42 GMT
no, of course not. then the other team could do it as well, and the whole point was that only one tam could do it since the basket isnt big enough for 2

  1. Message by: The Computer Viruses378 10/19/2004 22:50:12 GMT
    hi we live in the U.S. and are having fun learning best wishes
    the computer viruses


    1. Message by: blt663 11/11/2004 03:04:49 GMT
      Hi we are in Ajax Ontario Canada! What are you having trouble with anything the computer virses? We are we don't know how many food (lego pieces) go in the food tray because it doesn't say in the rules
      The BLT's
      Building Lego Together


      1. Message by: Hellas Little Angels Team 91 11/11/2004 03:17:21 GMT
        All of the 2 x 2 round pieces go in the bowl, except the three/ 2 x 2 round black pieces they go to the cat and dog.


    2. Message by: computer nerds 11/16/2004 05:38:42 GMT
      But even if the other team gets it in first, u can take theirs out and put yours in because it is the ball that is in there in the end when it is over that gets the points.


    3. Message by: GMT


Discussion: les lunettes By: tezenas 11/15/2004 03:09:44 GMT
par quel cot* on prend les lunettes(le plus facile c'est lequel)?

  1. Message by: Tri-City GCA Robo-Runners3320 10/25/2004 17:13:07 GMT
    je pense que c'est plus facile de le prendre par le devant.Si tu met quelque chose dans le troue ou le glace va.


    1. Message by: computer nerds 11/15/2004 03:09:44 GMT
      tu peut just les pousser par le derrier, je pense que ca vas etre plus facille.


Discussion: Events/Teams in Ontario? By: CalvinPark1711 11/16/2004 05:44:36 GMT
Hi Everyone -

We're looking to find other teams in Ontario and information on any events this season - so far there is only one item listed on the site. Anybody out there?

- Alan

  1. Message by: IceChips1568 09/18/2004 21:04:04 GMT
    Hi we're the Ice Chips (team 1568). We are a rookie team from North Bay made up of kids from grade 6-8, all from different schools. We too are looking for competition information as we will have to arrange transportation and hotels. Last year there was an event at Crescent School in Toronto at the end of November. Would it be possible if somebody from that school could let us know any dates or if they are having a competition again? Thanks.


    1. Message by: Gyrophobia1263 09/19/2004 04:42:27 GMT
      Hi We're Gyrophobia from Brampton and Georgetown. Yes there will be a GREAT competition at Crescent School this year, I'm pretty sure. Visit FLL Canada at http://fllcanada.org/
      or contact David Grant at this e-mail.
      DGrant@crescentschool.org

      There also another great tournament in Windsor, Ontario in November. Contact Chris Roll at
      crolls@ford.com


      1. Message by: CalvinPark1711 09/20/2004 03:07:50 GMT
        Hi -

        Great to see that there are people out there! It would be nice if there was a link to the fflcanada.org site on the main FLL site... it has been pretty frustrating trying to find information up until now.

        Does anyone know what the details are for the provincial tournament? Is there a restriction on the number of teams that can participate and are there qualifier events like in some of the states? We are considering putting together a second team here, but want to make sure that there will be events to go to!

        - Alan


    2. Message by: IceChips1568 09/20/2004 02:15:09 GMT
      Thanks for the update on the fllcanada link. Believe it or not, with all the time I spend on the first web site (both for ego and senior robotics), I never knew about this site. Thanks again.


    3. Message by: leafsrule789 09/21/2004 18:56:38 GMT
      Greetings to everyone.

      We are a rookie team from Elia Middle School in Toronto.
      'Look forward to meeting everyone sometime this season.


    4. Message by: FLLcanada 09/23/2004 17:25:53 GMT
      Hi everyone,

      I will do my best to locate as many teams as possible, and add them to this web site.

      fancy


    5. Message by: TechSavvy926 09/30/2004 01:07:06 GMT
      can you bring the basket back to base and load it manually?


      1. Message by: SMART 1 09/30/2004 16:43:48 GMT
        Don't have the link handy, but in another thread someone posted a ruling that this would be considered "field damage".

        I'd look around to confirm.

        - Peter


    6. Message by: leafsrule789 10/01/2004 13:55:41 GMT
      Is the Toronto regional event listed for Nevember 20 a prerequisite for attending the provincial event?

      Cheers,

      Phil


    7. Message by: dragonfire2885 10/16/2004 17:14:09 GMT
      Hello

      In St. Catharines, Ontario, we have two teams: Dragonfire2885 and LimitationZero3996. Both teams are in their rookie year and are exited to be participating. The teams consist of grade 7-8 students from Dale wood Public School.


    8. Message by: Rockcliffe 10/16/2004 18:12:05 GMT
      Hello,

      My name is Tania and I am new to the FLL stuff! I have a team of graded 8 students from Toronto. Would anyone be interested in being my mentor?

      Thanks,

      Tania


      1. Message by: Alex Doner 10/21/2004 04:42:44 GMT
        Hi and welcome to FLL. I can help. What do you need.


    9. Message by: star angels 10/19/2004 22:52:11 GMT
      nov. 13


    10. Message by: star angels 10/19/2004 22:56:24 GMT
      hi we are the star angels there is a fll tournament on nov.13


    11. Message by: Helping Hands 2098 10/26/2004 23:21:43 GMT
      Hi

      Sorry we are late checking in. We are the Helping Hands and if anyone one has questions post them here.


    12. Message by: Hawks1496 11/08/2004 23:46:31 GMT
      We are the Hetherington Hawks from Windsor, we are having our event at St. Clair College


    13. Message by: computer nerds 11/16/2004 05:44:36 GMT
      "can you bring the basket back to base and load it manually?"

      No! If you could do that it would be unfair for the other team because they have to but thier balls in the same hoop and eather way, it is conserded field damage so the reffere would put it back in place.


    14. Message by: GMT


Discussion: basket mission By: xtreme_robots 11/16/2004 05:32:19 GMT
can we repeat this mission several times to accumulate points.
for example can we put more than one ball in the central part of the basket

xtreme_robots

  1. Message by: star angels 10/19/2004 22:58:11 GMT
    no only 1 ball


    1. Message by: star angels 10/19/2004 22:58:32 GMT
      yes u can not


    2. Message by: longhorns3143 11/01/2004 03:02:19 GMT
      Only one ball can be in it at the end of the match


    3. Message by: computer nerds 11/15/2004 03:11:20 GMT
      But the other team can take it out and put thiers in


    4. Message by: Tri-City GCA Robo-Runners3320 11/15/2004 06:40:39 GMT
      You are allowed to do that, but it is impossible to fit 2 balls in the basket. You can put more balls in the outer ring for 5 points each. You also get 2 points for every ball on the field that is not in the base or basket.


    5. Message by: computer nerds 11/16/2004 05:32:19 GMT
      But u can take out your opponents ball and but your's in insted because it is only the ball in the hoop at the end that gets points and it is fair to take your opponent's ball out.


Discussion: general question By: Tri-City GCA Robo-Runners3320 12/05/2004 22:23:13 GMT
Hi! we're a new team with no previous experience. As one of the coaches I'm still confused by the whole challenge. I understand that we build a robot that completes the missions, and do the research project and present that, but do we actually build a separate robot to fulfil the challenge of something that helps someone with disabilities? Does the mission robot have to be able to perform all the missions without modification between?
We're having fun, and because we started late (only 3 weeks ago) we're not worrying about winning the big prize, but we'd still like to be sure to fulfill all the requirements.
thanks for any advice!

  1. Message by: Alex Doner 10/21/2004 04:17:08 GMT
    Welcome to First Lego League!!! Your attitude of having fun and inspiring kids in science and technology is what FIRST is all about. The research project does not specify that you "build" a seperate robot but what a great idea!! Maybe the plans/idea for a "seperate robot" would be a focus for the teams research robot.
    The mission robot is allowed to be modified when it comes into base. Your team can add/remove parts to the robot to accomplish different missions.
    Question: Any ideas of your team coming to Ontario?
    Check out www.fllcanada.org


    1. Message by: Tri-City GCA Robo-Runners3320 10/23/2004 15:52:21 GMT
      Alex: thanks for the informative reply! We're still getting to know the kit and the missions, so we've got a ways to go to do some serious programming and building, but we're sure excited.
      I'm pretty sure we won't be travelling to compete - we don't have a sponsor besides our local gifted kids assoc., which only covers part of the kit cost, and we don't really have time to get more sponsors for other costs, so we're doing this on a shoestring. Maybe next year!
      David


    2. Message by: Menace3687 11/12/2004 03:14:40 GMT
      Hi There,
      We are a new team this year ! We have been constantly working for a month. It has been hard work but it has been fun. We have a robot and a piece for the research project.
      Question - At the tourney are tables set up for us to lay the mats on or are we working on the floor ? Do I need to bring the border rails.... can do if necessary. We compete in the Halton Regional November 13.
      Thanks


    3. Message by: computer nerds 11/15/2004 03:13:50 GMT
      They will have tables for the competition but u need to bring yours to practice


    4. Message by: Meridian Heights 3856 11/17/2004 01:30:04 GMT
      Is it necessary to hand in a written report as part of the research project. We were also wondering how much space we have to set up our presentation.

      m.h.s. magic


    5. Message by: computer nerds 11/17/2004 05:07:56 GMT
      I'm pretty sure we dont


    6. Message by: computer nerds 11/21/2004 22:59:13 GMT
      Does anyone have any ideas for places that are wheelchair accessible? Let us konw! Thanks!


    7. Message by: computer nerds 11/21/2004 23:02:10 GMT
      We need awnswers asap!


    8. Message by: computer nerds 11/21/2004 23:03:56 GMT
      Hi there, this is the Computer Nerds, We were woundering if you had any ideas of places that are wheelchair accessable?
      Thanks please reply soon

      The Computer Nerds


    9. Message by: Tri-City GCA Robo-Runners3320 11/22/2004 20:37:06 GMT
      What kind of places are you looking for? Most public buildings like city hall, rec centres and libraries that are less than 15 years old have been built with accessibility in mind, and some older buildings have been upgraded. Even schools have had to become more accessible with ramps and elevators.
      Good Luck!


    10. Message by: computer nerds 12/05/2004 22:23:13 GMT
      Thanks....we will keep that in mind!

      Computer Nerds
      Robotics Team


Discussion: pieces - please help! By: Tri-City GCA Robo-Runners3320 11/15/2004 03:15:40 GMT
We have just finished all the mission parts but it seems that we won't have enough pieces to build a robot. We need the mission parts but we also need the robot. What should we do???

  1. Message by: robosolution1551 11/08/2004 17:58:59 GMT
    one way to solve this is to order more lego but that costs more money. perhaps one of yur team members has some parts at home. or just skip some tasks. it will lose you points but it may be your only choice.


    1. Message by: Tri-City GCA Robo-Runners3320 11/10/2004 14:44:06 GMT
      Thanks. Is this common? It seems odd that so many pieces would be used up before we even start the robot. Do most people add their own Lego?


      1. Message by: SMART 1 11/10/2004 15:06:31 GMT
        How many kits do you have? If you have only one kit, then it's easy to run out of parts you are using a lot of.

        There are ways to order individual parts for example from
        PITSCO or Bricklink, but from a value perspective you are usually better off getting another kit. A regular Mindstorms kit is a good addition to your collection and can sometimes be found at a discount.

        - Peter


    2. Message by: pcans1837 11/10/2004 16:31:37 GMT
      We had all team members donate a number of lego pieces from home. Pieces from Technic kits are the most useful.


    3. Message by: Tri-City GCA Robo-Runners3320 11/11/2004 20:00:41 GMT
      Thanks - both good ideas. We'll try asking all the members to bring in some Technic pieces to supplement.


    4. Message by: computer nerds 11/15/2004 03:15:40 GMT
      You shoud get the mat kit and another kit for building the robot that comes with an RCX.


Discussion: light sensor By: robosolution1551 11/11/2004 03:07:14 GMT
how does the light sensor work? does the red button flash when ready and then the white when light is sensed. Please help i am running out of time.

  1. Message by: blt663 11/11/2004 03:07:14 GMT
    the light sensor is only red. It will stop when you want it to see the color white or red. You can tell it to do that on the program
    The BAT's
    Building Lego Together


Discussion: logging out By: robosolution1551 11/11/2004 20:10:22 GMT
i can't figure out how to log out!!!!!!!!!!!! please help

  1. Message by: Tri-City GCA Robo-Runners3320 11/06/2004 18:41:40 GMT
    If you're talking about this forum, I don't think you have to log out - just leave the page.


    1. Message by: blt663 11/11/2004 03:09:32 GMT
      What teams are you?
      We are the BAT
      Bacon lettuce tomato!
      Kidding!
      Building Lego Together!
      Where are you from and how are you doing?
      Are you going to any compitions?
      We are! See you there!


    2. Message by: blt663 11/11/2004 03:09:49 GMT
      What teams are you?
      We are the BLT
      Bacon lettuce tomato!
      Kidding!
      Building Lego Together!
      Where are you from and how are you doing?
      Are you going to any compitions?
      We are! See you there!


    3. Message by: blt663 11/11/2004 03:10:14 GMT
      Forget about the 2nd one up!
      It is messed up!


    4. Message by: Tri-City GCA Robo-Runners3320 11/11/2004 20:10:22 GMT
      We are the Tri-City GCA Robo Runners. We are in and from B.C.
      We are going to a tournament but probably not the same as yours. Unless we win ours and you win yours then we would go the championship and face each other. Hope that happens.
      Bye


Discussion: Teams and Tournaments By: computer nerds 12/07/2004 20:46:00 GMT
If you click on teams and tournaments and go there, what do you do if your team doesnt show up? Please help!

  1. Message by: computer nerds 11/16/2004 05:46:02 GMT
    I dont know what to do! Help! The teams and tournaments link doesnt show our team, what do we do. Plz help. We would like all the help we can get.


    1. Message by: SMART 1 11/16/2004 15:38:53 GMT
      I'm not sure how to fix that, but it honestly doesn't matter. You are obviously on the forum so no problem there. And the team list on the Teams and Tournaments page has nothing to do with which tournaments you are signed up for. Contact whoever is organizing your tournaments and confirm with them that you are in their tournament.

      The teams and tournaments page is supposed to show what tournaments are in that state (or country), and what teams from that state are registered in the _forum_.

      - Peter


    2. Message by: computer nerds 11/20/2004 01:19:51 GMT
      Not very nice saying it does not matter!!!!!!!!!


    3. Message by: Super Novas 12/07/2004 20:46:00 GMT
      hello were the super novas we know what to do unlike some people.we are done please send us a message.



Folder: - CHINA - [for Chinese members] 02/15/2005 00:55:42 GMT
Please post all discussions that concerns China in this folder.


Folder: Internationals in Georgia [US] 02/15/2005 00:55:42 GMT
Who are the teams going to the Internationals in Atlanta, Georgia? We are the L3 Robot Rulers from Western New York and would like to know who is going. Please post your response in the United States folder under
Miscellaneous
and then under folder
1 World Festival in Atlanta, Georgia.

Thanks
L3 Robot Rulers


Folder: Zhong Guo 01/23/2005 06:06:16 GMT


Discussion: yo buy for thirty five dollar, i rip you off By: robosolution1551 01/23/2005 06:06:16 GMT
35 dollar boy

Discussion: hints and tips By: Innovators1120 11/25/2004 18:44:25 GMT


  1. Message by: magiccreators1120 11/04/2004 13:14:24 GMT
    We like you because you have the same number like ours!
    we are coming from Germany. Good luck for the challenge! Se you sometimes! Bye!


    1. Message by: Anonymous49 11/25/2004 18:44:25 GMT
      Hi im from Uk and I need an arm.



Folder: - DEUTSCHLAND - [for German, Austrian and Switzerland members] 09/19/2005 16:43:11 GMT
Please post all discussions that concerns Germany, Austria and Switzerland in this folder


Folder: Details zum Regionalwettbewerb 11/02/2004 15:40:17 GMT


Discussion: Zuschauer By: PPG04 11/02/2004 09:48:08 GMT
Hall*chen ihr da drau*en,
ich vom Team Paulus-Pretorius-Gymnasium(wir suchen noch nach einem coolen Namen)wollte mal wissen ob die Begleitperson(Eltern)
auch igendwie eine Chance haben zuzusehen!?! Zum Beispiel *bertragung im Internet oder dort auf einer Leinwand!?!
Unseren Konkurenten noch viele Gr**e.

Konstantin Schlaaff

PS: Macht euch mal nichts vor, wir gewinnen eh!!!

  1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 10/28/2004 20:17:21 GMT
    Selber Hall*chen,

    am ehesten ne Chance was zu sehen, haben eure Eltern usw. zuzuschauen, wenn sie Live dabei sind. In Bocholt war letztes Jahr um die Wettkampffelder ein Zuschauerbereich angelegt. Internet oder Videowand w*sst ich jetz nich. Bei welchem Regionalwettbewerb seid Ihr denn? Ich denk mal das liegt ganz an dem jeweiligen Veranstalter.

    Und gibts schon nen Namen?
    Sch*ne Gr**e von der Konkurrenz aus dem netten M*nsterland.

    MfG
    Der Ober-Robotron

    PS: Robotron rockt!


    1. Message by: magiccreators1120 11/02/2004 09:48:08 GMT
      nichts


Discussion: technikpr*sentation By: magiccreators1120 11/02/2004 15:40:17 GMT
was muss man bei der technikpr*sentation eigentlich machen


Folder: Fragen Anregungen zu Regeln und Aufgaben 12/02/2004 15:27:21 GMT



Folder: A Legt die CD zur*ck 10/22/2004 12:10:58 GMT


Discussion: Ab wann gibts volle punkte?? By: Robotron2.0_1029 10/22/2004 12:10:58 GMT
Ab wann gibts f*r die CD-Geschichte volle punkte? muss die CD die H*lle nur ber*hren oder vollst*ndig auf der CD-H*lle liegen?
In der Anleitung steht "CD ber*hrt die H*lle". Klingt etwas schwammig, oder?

  1. Message by: magiccreators1120 09/28/2004 16:52:56 GMT
    die cd muss nach meiner meinung komplett auf der cd-h*lle liegen! sonst w*rs schwachsinn oder?


    1. Message by: Legoreds 09/28/2004 21:37:39 GMT
      Es reicht wenn die CD nur die H*lle ber*hrt:

      Jonas


    2. Message by: Healthy_Robots 10/22/2004 11:00:16 GMT
      Was denn nun?


    3. Message by: RoboCare1095 10/22/2004 12:10:58 GMT
      CD ber*hrt H*lle sagt ja alles aus
      ber*hren heisst nicht vollst*ndig auf der H*lle!



Folder: Allgemeines 11/11/2004 15:39:05 GMT


Discussion: mehrere roboter? By: magiccreators1120 10/05/2004 18:31:28 GMT
kann man eigentlich den kompletten roboter bis auf den rcx tauschen?

  1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 09/29/2004 17:15:52 GMT
    Ich denke ja, solange man dann nicht die Begrenzung der Elektronik-Teile *berschreitet.


    1. Message by: robofreaks1010 10/05/2004 18:31:28 GMT
      Man darf in den unterschiedlichen Runden mit verschiedenen Modellen antreten. Baut doch einfach mehrere Modelle, jeweils mit einem eigenen RCX. Wenn ihr dann in der einen Runde nicht zufrieden wart, dann nehmt ihr das andere Modell.


Discussion: `wie viele programme? By: magiccreators1120 10/02/2004 12:10:48 GMT
wie viele programme darf man eigentlich haben? darf man zwischendurch die programme des rcx *ndern?

  1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 09/29/2004 17:19:28 GMT
    Zwischen den einzelnen Runden kann man so viel programmieren bis der IrDa-Sender brennt! Es gibt keine Begrenzung.


    1. Message by: robofreaks1010 10/02/2004 12:10:48 GMT
      Dazu habt ihr gar keine Zeit. Die 2,5 mINUTEN SIND SOWIESO EXTREM KNAPP: WISSEN WIR AUS DEM LETZTEN JAHR:


Discussion: Zeit By: Robotron2.0_1029 11/02/2004 11:41:14 GMT
Ich finde die Zeit (150 Sekunden) ziemlich knapp.
Wie seht ihr das?

  1. Message by: robofreaks1010 10/05/2004 18:30:18 GMT
    Stimmt, aber man muss sich *berlegen, welchen Aufgaben man den Vorrang gibt. Man kann kaum alle Aufgaben in dieser Zeit schaffen. Aber man kann ja auch den Roboter per Hand zur*ckholen.


    1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 10/08/2004 17:32:12 GMT
      Das gibt doch Punktabzug wenn man den zur*ckholt. Wieviel ziehen die denn da wohl ab?

      MfG
      Der Ober-Robotron


    2. Message by: magiccreators1120 11/02/2004 11:41:14 GMT
      Es gibt pro Anfassen des Roboters 10 Punkte Abzug! Lohnt sich also nicht... :,)


Discussion: Art des Antriebs eures Roboters ? By: Lego_SAP_Kids1132 11/09/2004 23:43:36 GMT
Hallo liebe Mitbewerber,

in unserem Team haben wir uns gefragt, welche Art von Antrieb man wohl am besten verwenden sollte. Aufgrund der Aufgabe mit den Stufen sind wir eher auf ein "Raupenfahrzeug" gekommen, da R*der oder *hnliches hier viel zu rutschig sind.

Und eine Wechsel der kompletten Antriebs-Technik zwischen den Aufgaben innerhalb der 150 Sekunden erscheint uns sehr zeitaufwendig und daher unpraktikabel.

Wie denkt ihr dar*ber ?

MfG, Markus (Vize-Coach Lego_SAP_Kids1132)

  1. Message by: RoboCare1095 10/05/2004 14:44:22 GMT
    Ich teile deine Ueberlegungen

    Aber das ist ja die herausforderung der ganzen Aufgabe

    Einerseits musss man schnell sein - auf der andern Seite muss man auf die Rampe kommen - Also Ideen sind gefragr

    PS Im Lego Mindstorms Forum gabs k*rzlich einen Community Contest Aufgabe Treppen steigen.


    1. Message by: Healthy_Robots 10/22/2004 10:49:11 GMT
      Lass ihn doch fliegen ;-)


    2. Message by: Legoreds 11/06/2004 13:06:06 GMT
      Nat*rlich, unser Roboter fliegt auch 15cm *ber der Platte.
      Deswegen haben wir mit den Stufen keine Probleme. Und Kurven brauchen wir auch keine, da wir ja den direkten weg nehmen k*nnen.


    3. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 11/09/2004 23:43:36 GMT
      jaja, diese Lego-Hover-Module sind schon gro*e klasse ...


Discussion: Was bleibt aufgebaut? By: LFS-Robot 10/31/2004 22:28:48 GMT
Hallo,

kann uns jemand verraten, ob die einzelnen Objekte aufgebaut bleiben, wenn sie gar nicht gebraucht werden?
Konkret:
Der Tisch und die St*hle sind uns im Weg bei bestimmten Aufgaben.

  1. Message by: RoboCare1095 10/20/2004 22:39:44 GMT
    die bleiben da wo sie sind wenn sie st*ren musst sie mit dem roboter beiseite schieben(tisch wird schwierig)


    1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 10/31/2004 22:28:48 GMT
      wenn die Antriebsleisung stimmt hat da auch der Tisch nix zu lachen *g* ...


Discussion: Start Wichtig!!! By: robotlions des fes 11/11/2004 15:39:05 GMT
Darf ein Teil des Roboters vorm Start aus der Base herausragen, wenn es nicht den Boden ber*hrt (Lichtsensor!!!)

  1. Message by: RoboCare1095 11/11/2004 15:39:05 GMT
    Theoretisch NEIN !

    Praktisch wird nicht gemessen wenn es um paar mm geht
    -> Erfahrung aus dem Regional Finale vom 10.11


Discussion: Start Wichtig!!! By: robotlions des fes 11/11/2004 15:28:30 GMT
Darf ein Teil des Roboters, der in der Luft h*ngt z.B. ein Lichtsensor vor dem Start *ber der Startlinie h*ngen???


Folder: B Play Basketball 11/11/2004 15:22:15 GMT


Discussion: Beladen des Balles in der Base By: RoboCare1095 10/14/2004 10:56:58 GMT
F*r mich ist nicht klar ob der Ball in der Base vom Roboter selber geladen werden muss oder ob der von Hand auf den Roboter gelegt werden darf. Wie sehr ihr das?

  1. Message by: RoboManiacs 09/16/2004 20:55:54 GMT
    Die B*lle k*nnen auf dem Roboter mit der Hand gestellt werden, w*hrend der Roboter noch in der Basis ist.

    RoboManiacs
    Team #9
    Team web site


    1. Message by: Legoreds 09/16/2004 21:09:19 GMT
      ja klar. Das schwere ist nur den Korb zu treffen.

      Jonas


    2. Message by: RoboCare1095 09/16/2004 21:14:14 GMT
      Ja so klar ist das aber aus den Regeln nicht ersichtlich


    3. Message by: basics1090 09/16/2004 21:15:01 GMT
      Auf Seite 4 der Datei FLL2004_SPIELFELD_AUFGABENK.DOC steht klar, dass die B*lle in der Basis per Hand auf den Roboter geladen werden.


      1. Message by: avaloq123 09/17/2004 13:57:38 GMT
        und der Link zu FLL2004_SPIELFELD_AUFGABENK.DOC ?


        1. Message by: RoboCare1095 09/17/2004 14:48:40 GMT
          Die Datei wurde per Mail versandt


          1. Message by: basics1090 09/21/2004 19:05:40 GMT
            Die Datei ist dem Teamcoch per E-mail geschickt worden. Die Inhalte befinden sich aber auch am Ende der Seite: http://www.firstlegoleague.org/default.aspx?pid=15570
            (Link "Spielfeld und Platzierung" im Abschnitt Wettbewerb 2004 auf ideser Website.


    4. Message by: RoboCare1095 09/16/2004 21:26:52 GMT
      UPS

      Danke das hab ich *bersehen


    5. Message by: Legoreds 09/18/2004 09:19:37 GMT
      Au*erdem ist das bei fast allen Sachen so!

      Jonas


    6. Message by: TechSavvy926 09/30/2004 01:00:55 GMT
      K*nnen Sie den Korb zur*ck zu Unterseite holen und ihn eigenh*ndig laden?


    7. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 09/30/2004 17:16:10 GMT
      Der Roboter darf aber KEINE Aufgabe von der Base aus erledigen, er muss aufs Feld fahren(aus der Base raus).


    8. Message by: Trittau Team 1094 10/10/2004 20:45:51 GMT
      Hallo,

      wozu ist denn der basket-holder gedacht (dieses flache schwarze Ding mit kegelartigen Aus*tzen)?


    9. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 10/13/2004 21:43:38 GMT
      Der wird auf den in der Mitte (siehe Aufbauanleitung/Regelwerk) verdoppelten Spielfeldrand gepappt. dann l*sst sich der Korb zwischen den orangen Pinnen einhaken. Das ist daf*r, dass der Korb nicht so leicht verrutscht.


      1. Message by: Trittau Team 1094 10/14/2004 10:56:58 GMT
        Vielen Dank, inzwischen hatte ich es auch "schon" herausgefunden!


Discussion: Werfen der B*lle By: BerlinFighters1002 11/11/2004 15:22:15 GMT
Wie weit mu* der Roboter aus der Basis entfernt sein um zum Beispiel die B*lle in den Korb zu bef*rdern ? Reicht es auch wenn er nur gestartet wird ?

  1. Message by: nn1124_m 10/05/2004 12:56:22 GMT
    Werden geworfene B*lle aus dem Korb entfernt, sodass wiederholt Punkte gemacht werden k*nnen?
    Parabots


    1. Message by: RoboCare1095 10/05/2004 13:05:59 GMT
      Wie ich es beurteile NEIN

      Es kann also nur ein Team seine Kugel im weissen Korb plazieren.


    2. Message by: robotlions des fes 11/11/2004 15:22:15 GMT
      Kann man die B*lle mit einer besonderen Konstruktion auch in den Korb legen???( mit einem Greifarm oder so


Discussion: Wie viele B*lle darf man aus der Base mitnehmen? By: Healthy_Robots 09/30/2004 17:17:16 GMT
Darf man alle auf einmal nehmen oder nicht

  1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 09/30/2004 17:17:16 GMT
    Immer nur EIN Ball.
    PS: Steht auch in den Regeln



Folder: C Erklimmt die Stufen 11/07/2004 22:39:09 GMT


Discussion: Muss man von vorne auf die Stufen fahren By: Legoreds 10/16/2004 19:47:41 GMT
Muss man von vorne auf die Stufen fahren oder darf man auch von der seite hoch?

Jonas

  1. Message by: RoboCare1095 09/20/2004 08:50:19 GMT
    Das ist nicht definiert - Es ist lediglich definiert wo der bot stehen muss um volle oder Teilpunkte zu erhlaten

    - also gehe ich davon aus dass auf der Seite hoch erlaubt ist


    1. Message by: Legoreds 09/21/2004 17:48:12 GMT
      Ok danke


    2. Message by: wisrds1084 09/22/2004 16:19:05 GMT
      Ich glaube man sollte von der Seite hochgehen, denn in den Regeln steht dass man nur einen Teil der Punkte kriegt wenn man die anderen Stufen beruehrt. Ich bin mir aber nicht sicher ob das stimmt, denn vielleicht meint man dass mit den anderen Stufen nur wenn der Robi mal ganz oben ist.

      Annina von den wISRds(die jetzt noch International School Rheinthal heisst)


    3. Message by: Legoreds 09/22/2004 19:58:01 GMT
      Genau das ist gemeint wenn der Roboter am ende noch die unteren Stufen ber*ht gibt es nur teilpunkte.

      Aber von der Seite ist besse: Umso weniger Kurven um so besser!! Meine Meinung


    4. Message by: Rover Kids1011 10/16/2004 19:47:41 GMT
      Tja,tja falsche F*hrte Legoreds.
      Aber,ob alle darauf h*ren?


Discussion: D*rfen Teile abfallen? By: Chaos Designer 1075 09/28/2004 16:53:44 GMT
Gibt es volle Punktzahl, wenn der Roboter auf der obersten Stufe steht aber einzelne Teile abgefallen sind?

  1. Message by: magiccreators1120 09/28/2004 16:53:44 GMT
    wenns dich nich behindert wenn teile abfallen!


Discussion: Mit Rampe By: Legoreds 09/29/2004 21:32:30 GMT
Darf der Roboter mit einer Rampe, die dann sp*ter vor den Stufen liegt, auf die Stufen fahren.

  1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 09/29/2004 21:32:30 GMT
    Die Idee hatten wir auch schon. Wie wird das denn gewertet wenn da noch ne rampe auf dem Feld liegt? Z*hlt die zum Roboter? Der muss die ja auch erst mal da hingeschmissen haben, was die Rampe zu einem Teil des Roboters macht, oder?


Discussion: Wann gibt es mehr Punkte? By: Healthy_Robots 11/07/2004 22:39:09 GMT
Wenn man gans oben ist,oder wenn man beide Stangen ber*hrt?

  1. Message by: Robokids1156 11/07/2004 22:39:09 GMT
    as gift bur vole Punktzahl(45Pkt.), wen her Roboter auk her obersten Stufe steht und das Gel*nder ber*hrt.
    PS: Steht in der Punkteverteilung
    robokids


Discussion: stufen By: magiccreators1120 10/15/2004 15:34:41 GMT
muss man, wenn man auf der treppe ist, wieder zur*ck zur base?

  1. Message by: WoinemRobonnics48 10/14/2004 15:37:20 GMT
    So wie wir es verstehen muss der Roboter oben bleiben, das heisst dies muss die letzte Aufgabe sein.


    1. Message by: Robokids 10/15/2004 15:34:41 GMT
      Sehn wir auch so! Ist zwar etwas komisch, aber wenn sie es so wollen!



Folder: D F*ttert die Haustiere 10/22/2004 19:00:28 GMT



Folder: Wo sind die Futterst*cke? 11/01/2004 10:34:10 GMT
Bei unserem Challenge Set waren keine Futterst*cke dabei. War das bei euch auch so,wenn ja was habt ihr gemacht.


Discussion: Futterst*cke By: Robotron2.0_1029 10/05/2004 22:50:19 GMT
Meine lieben Stadtlohner!
Die Futterst*cke sind drei schwarze runde Steine mit vier Noppen. Die m*ssten *brig geblieben sein...

MfG
Der Ober-Robotron
(ehemaliger HLR-Sch*ler)

  1. Message by: Healthy_Robots 10/04/2004 13:27:49 GMT
    Die sind nicht da ganz sicher. Unsere dunkelsten sind blau durchsichtig


    1. Message by: Lego_SAP_Kids1132 10/05/2004 14:07:35 GMT
      Die Futterst*cke sind aus ca. 5 Teilen zusammengebaut.
      Wir hatten daf*r eine Aufbauanleitung und haben uns beim
      Aufbau dann auch gewundert, dass diese 3 zusammengebauten Teile noch *brig waren. Sind vornehmlich schwarze Bauteile.
      Und ziemlich unhandlich.

      MfG, Markus (Vize-Coach Lego_SAP_Kids1132)


    2. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 10/05/2004 22:50:19 GMT
      Markus von LEgo_SAP_Kids: Du meinst doch nicht etw die teile, die in der Bauanleitung als "Sign Holder" *berschrieben werden? Deine beschreibung passt wohl darauf.
      Die hab ich n*mlich auch erst daf*r gehalten. Das sind Halter f*r die Fahnen am Rand. schaut euch mal genau die Anleitung an.

      Healthy Robots: Schaut mal unter "Serviert das essen" im Forum nach. Da wurde das mit dem mysteri*sen Futter auch schon diskutiert.
      An eurer Stelle w*rde ich mich mal bei Frau Riedel von Hands on Technology beschweren und mir solche schwarzen Pr*ffkes von zuhause aus der Legokiste mitbringen.


Discussion: futterst*cke By: magiccreators1120 11/01/2004 10:34:10 GMT
d*rfen die futterst*cke aufeinander gesteckt werden

Discussion: Alle Futterst*cke auf einmal oder eins nach dem anderen ? By: Lego_SAP_Kids1132 10/05/2004 14:46:11 GMT
Hallo liebe Mitbewerber,
wir haben uns gefragt, ob wir wirklich die 3 Teile jeweils einzeln ins Gatter fahren m*ssen, oder ob man nicht in einer Tour alle drei Futterst*cke abliefern kann ?

W*re sch*n, wenn ihr uns da helfen k*nntet.

MfG, Markus (Vize-Coach Lego_SAP_Kids1132)

  1. Message by: RoboCare1095 10/05/2004 14:46:11 GMT
    Alle Futterst*cke d*rfen in der Base auf den Bot geladen werden

    Einschr*nkung gibts nur bei den B*llen


Discussion: *ber den Zaun werfen ? By: Healthy_Robots 10/22/2004 19:00:28 GMT
M*ssen die Futterst*cke durchs Tor transportieren
oder k*nnen wir diese *ber den Zaun bef*rdern

  1. Message by: RoboCare1095 10/22/2004 19:00:28 GMT
    Lies die Regel genau und du hast die Antwort

    Das Futter muss durchs Tor angeliefert werden!



Folder: E Oeffnet das Tor 10/31/2004 16:36:34 GMT



Folder: Wie rum muss das tor stehen 10/13/2004 21:37:20 GMT
Hallo!

Wie rum muss dass tor stehen? So dass man es eindr*cken kann oder so dass man es auf ziehen kann?

Discussion: Tor By: Robotron2.0_1029 10/13/2004 21:37:20 GMT
Auf der Matte ist eine Seite mit dem passenden englischen Begriff gekennzeichnet.

  1. Message by: WoinemRobonnics48 10/07/2004 18:00:58 GMT
    Scheint mir leider eindeutig die schwerere Version: siehe http://www.fll-freak.com/2004/2004_table_setup.htm
    also Tor *ffnet sich weg(!!) von den Tieren, hin zum fahrenden Roboter.
    im amerikanischen Form wurde das auch diskutiert und beschrieben.


    1. Message by: RoboCare1095 10/07/2004 21:09:14 GMT
      Ja ist definitiv so Tor muss aufgezogen werden!

      Andersrum w*rs ja zu einfach - Einfach durchfahren :-)


    2. Message by: Healthy_Robots 10/13/2004 13:43:30 GMT
      OK danke


    3. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 10/13/2004 21:37:20 GMT
      Stimmt. Ich hab bei Hands on Technology gefragt.
      Auszug aus der Antwort:

      "das Tor muss sich nach au*en *ffnen.
      Mit besten Gr**en
      Juliane Riedel"


Discussion: HINGE heisst Scharnier oder T*rangel By: Lego_SAP_Kids1132 10/31/2004 16:36:34 GMT
Auf der LEGO-Aufgaben-Matte steht das englische Wort HINGE.
Das bedeutet auf Deutsch "Scharnier" oder "T*rangel".
Nach meiner Auffassungen ist das die Seite, die sich beim *ffnen der T*r nicht bewegt und f*r das Tor den ruhenden Drehpunkt festlegt. Wir hatten am Anfang auch noch diesen Haken vergessen. Unser Tor wollte dann zuerst *berhaupt nicht offen stehen bleiben. Gl*cklicherweise hat unser Team-Mitglied Hannes den Fehler gleich bemerkt und behoben.

MfG, Markus (Vize-Coach Lego_SAP_Kids1132)

  1. Message by: Crazy Robots 1131 10/31/2004 16:36:34 GMT
    Das Tor *ffnet sich auf den Roboter zu. Aufschieben ist nicht :-/ (es sei denn man f*hrt durch den T*mpel :-) )



Folder: F Erkenne die Busstrecke 10/21/2004 14:15:22 GMT


Discussion: Ideen By: Robotron2.0_1029 10/05/2004 23:03:09 GMT
Ich glaub keiner will zu dieser Aufgabe seine Ideen verraten...

Ich auch nich.

  1. Message by: Lego_SAP_Kids1132 10/05/2004 14:22:45 GMT
    Na da scheint ja jemand etwas gefrustet zu sein !?

    Also ich "verrate" mal unsere Gedanken:

    Wenn die Reihenfolge der Fahnen vertauscht wird, dann gehen wir davon aus, dass die "komplette" Fahne versetzt wird. Das bedeutet, man brauch nicht nur die "Farben" des oberen Teils "anzuschauen" (mit dem Lichtsensor ?!), sondern es w*rde reichen, den unteren Teil der Fahne (der sich als rechten Winkel auf der Speilfeldumrandung befindet) mit dem Lichtsensore zu *berpr*fen. Wir vermuten, dass man dann den Sensor mechanisch besser am Roboter selbst befestigen kann.

    Seit doch so nett und fair und erz*hlt uns eure Meinung hierzu. Das "Team-Play" h*rt nicht beim eigenen Team auf!

    MfG, Markus (Vize-Coach Lego_SAP_Kids1132)


    1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 10/05/2004 23:03:09 GMT
      Konstrukteure sind da manchmal etwas eigen ... auch unser Getriebe-Guru.

      Bei uns ist auch eine L*sung mit dem Lichtsensor im Gespr*ch. Die Jury findet nunmal viele Sensoren so toll. Den Spass will man ihnen doch g*nnen...
      Au*erdem: wie wollt ihr das anders erkennen?
      Ich w*rde da eine Konstruse bauen, die mit einem beweglichen Arm ausger*stet ist und vom Lichtsensor gesagt bekommt, was zu tun ist.
      Den Sensor w*rde ich auch am Chassis selbst befestigen. So l*sst er sich wesentlich besser auf die farbigen Fl*chen ausrichten.


Discussion: M*ssen die schilder ganz unten sein By: Healthy_Robots 10/21/2004 14:15:22 GMT
M*ssen die Schilder ganz runter sein und damit die Umrandung ber*hren oder nur ein bisschen runter gedr*ckt werden?

  1. Message by: magiccreators1120 10/21/2004 14:15:22 GMT
    nein sie m*ssen nur sichtbar bewegt wurden sein


Discussion: M*ssen die schilder ganz unten sein By: Healthy_Robots 10/13/2004 14:28:48 GMT
M*ssen die Schilder ganz runter sein und damit die Umrandung ber*hren oder nur ein bisschen runter gedr*ckt werden?


Folder: G Schiebt die St*hle 10/07/2004 17:41:11 GMT


Discussion: St*hle By: Legoreds 09/29/2004 06:36:51 GMT
Darf der Roboter die St*hle in die Base bringen und sie von dort aus auf den Teppich bringen.

Jonas

  1. Message by: RoboCare1095 09/28/2004 22:12:45 GMT
    Ich sehe keine Regel die dem widerspricht - Sie d*rfen nur nicht umfallen


    1. Message by: Legoreds 09/29/2004 06:36:51 GMT
      Gut danke

      Jonas


Discussion: Wie weit m*ssen die St*hle auf den Teppich? By: Healthy_Robots 09/30/2004 17:11:00 GMT
M*ssen die im ihneren Kreis oder irgend einen,wie viel gibt es f*r einen Stuhl

  1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 09/30/2004 17:11:00 GMT
    Alle Infos *ber die Regel findet man auf der Internetseite unter REGELN und wurden euch auch als e-mail geschickt!

    MfG M


Discussion: Ein Stuhl steht doch schon richtig??? By: WoinemRobonnics48 10/07/2004 17:41:11 GMT
Ja, ein Stuhl steht doch schon im Innern des Teppichs? Muss der zur*ckgeschoben werden? Bringt der schon so die 10 Punkte??

  1. Message by: WoinemRobonnics48 10/07/2004 17:41:11 GMT
    Ich bin auf der Singapore-Seite der FLL f*ndig geworden, da hatte jemand die gleiche Frage:

    Q: Are there free points for the chair that*s already on the rug when the match starts?

    A: Yes, as long as it still meets the requirements at the END of the match.

    Das hei*t: Der Stuhl bringt tats*chlich so wie er ist Punkte, man darf ihn nur nicht versehentlich wegschieben!



Folder: H Serviert das Essen 10/15/2004 19:25:05 GMT


Discussion: schwarzes Essen? By: magiccreators1120 10/05/2004 16:40:50 GMT
Warum m*ssen die schwarzen Steine im Korb bleiben damit man punkte kriegt? Hat das irgendeinen tieferen Grund?

  1. Message by: RoboCare1095 10/05/2004 16:40:50 GMT
    Die schwarzen Steine geh*ren nicht in den Korb

    Der Korb mit dem Essen muss ja auf den Tisch

    Die 3 schwarzen Tierfutterst*cke m*ssen hinten auf die rote Fl*che


Discussion: 2 Fragen By: nn1124_m 10/15/2004 19:25:05 GMT
Darf eigentlich das Tablett au*erhalb der Base abgestellt werden und sp*ter wieder aufgenommen werden, um auf den Tisch gestellt zu werden?

Und noch eine Frage: Muss das Tablett in der Base vom Roboter aufgenommen werden oder kann es ihm direkt auf eine Hebevorrichtung gestellt werden?

Viele Gr**e
Manuel

  1. Message by: Robokids 10/15/2004 15:30:41 GMT
    hab die gleiche frage!


    1. Message by: RoboCare1095 10/15/2004 19:25:05 GMT
      Zu Frage 1 - Es steht nirgends dass dies nicht erlaubt ist - es muss einfach per Roboter abgestellt und wieder gefasst werden
      -> Regel heisst Jegliches Ber*hren von Objekten auserhalb der Base verboten! -> Touch or die

      Das Tablett darf in der Base auf den Roboter geladen werden



Folder: I Holt die Brille 09/29/2004 17:24:17 GMT


Discussion: Holt die Gril By: robofreaks1010 09/29/2004 17:24:17 GMT


  1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 09/29/2004 17:24:17 GMT
    Gril???


Discussion: Holt die Brille By: robofreaks1010 09/28/2004 21:58:45 GMT
Wann gilt die Brille als geholt? Wenn sie ganz in der Base ist oder wenn ein Teil, auch der kleinste, von ihr in der Base ist? Wann darf man den Roboter von der Platte nehmen, wenn er zur*ckgefahren ist, wenn er ganz in der Base ist oder wenn der erste kleine Teil von ihm in der Base ist?
Robofreaks

  1. Message by: magiccreators1120 09/28/2004 16:55:24 GMT
    die ganze brille mus in der base sein und dann kannst du auch erst den roboter rausnehmen! magiccreators


    1. Message by: Legoreds 09/28/2004 21:42:55 GMT
      Es reicht wenn ein Teil der Brille und des Roboters in der Base ist.
      So war es jedes Jahr.

      Jonas


    2. Message by: RoboCare1095 09/28/2004 21:58:45 GMT
      Roboter muss komplett zur*ck in der base sein sonst darfst ihn ja ned ber*hren


Discussion: Verwendetes Material By: robofreaks1010 10/08/2004 18:36:39 GMT
Im letzten Jahr war genau angegeben, was man alles benutzen durfte, n*mlich 3 Motoren, 1 RCX, 2 Lichtsensoren,2 Ber*hrung,1 Rotation. Ist das in diesem Jahr auch so, denn das finden wir nicht?
Darf man auch in diesem Jahr den Robo per Hand zur*ckholen, nat*rlich gegen Punktabgabe?
Wenn ja, wieviel Punkte sind das, 2 pro Ball?
Robofreaks 1010

  1. Message by: Legoreds 09/19/2004 20:46:13 GMT
    Ja ein das kostet aber ein Ball = 2 Punkte.

    Du darft die gleichen teile wie letztes Jahr benutzen.

    Alle normalen Teile die du hast.
    3 Motoren 1 RCX 2 Lichtsensoren 2 Ber*hrung 1 Rotation


    1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 09/22/2004 21:37:58 GMT
      Seh ich auch so. Die Elektronikteile sind begrenzt.

      Alles andere kann man drauf los verbauen, was die legokiste hergibt und lego auf den teilen draufsteht.
      Die Teile m*sssen sich aber im Originalzustand befinden.
      Das bedeutet auch, dass man die Teile mit Flutschi oder kleber nicht etwas "verbessern" darf.

      Aber was soll das, dass da keine Aufkleber sichtbar dran d*rfen?


    2. Message by: John Smith 09/24/2004 14:56:51 GMT
      Die fehlende Erlaubnis f*r Nicht-LEGO-Versch*nerungen war bei uns auch nicht gerade positiv zur Kenntnis genommen worden.

      Aber dass man beliebig viele, nicht elektrische Teile verbauen darf war mir erst vor Kurzem klar geworden. Wie war das denn so in den vergangenen Jahren? Wird das ausgenutzt und kommen teilweise richtig gro*e Modelle an? Oder ist es eher sinnvoll, sich auf die Steine im Mindstorms Set so halbwegs zu beschr*nken, da die Roboter sonst zu gro* und unhandlich w*rden?

      Und noch eine Frage zum Wettbewerb: Kann man mit verschiedenen RCX teilnehmen um sich gr**ere Umbauten in den Pausen zu ersparen? In den 2,5 Minuten auf dem Tisch darf nat*rlich immer nur einer sein - das ist klar.

      Viele Gr**e
      Manuel (Coach nn1124)


    3. Message by: robofreaks1010 09/26/2004 09:57:30 GMT
      Nach unserem Wissen darf man mit mehreren Robotern antreten, man kann ja auch identische Modelle bauen, falls mal einer herunterf*llt. Aber eben immer nur ein Modell bei einem Durchlauf benutzen. Man darf also auch unterschiedliche Programme auf den Robotern gespeichert haben.
      die Robofreaks


    4. Message by: magiccreators1120 09/28/2004 16:37:08 GMT
      ich hab auch noch nichts dazu gefunden


    5. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 09/29/2004 21:07:09 GMT
      Letztes jahr haben sie in Bocholt ein Team Disqualifiziert, weil sie verschiedene Roboter f*r verschiedene Aufgaben gebaut haben. Ich denke da sehen die das mit verschiedenen RCXen genauso ...

      Was das mit der Teile beschr*nkung und den unhandlichen Robotern angeht: Da hat man ja selbst einen Einfluss drauf, ob man mit mehr teileauswahl ne elegante, sichere L*sung baut oder ein 5 Kilo schweres Unget*m ...


    6. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 09/29/2004 21:10:11 GMT
      Ich meine das steht in der Anleitung. B*lle auf dem Spielfeld sind Bonuspunkte. Und die gibts bei Roboterber*hrung abgezogen.
      Aber keine Gew*hr daf*r.

      F*hliche Weihnachten
      Der Ober-Robotron


    7. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 09/30/2004 17:25:35 GMT
      Je gr**er der Roboter wird umso schwerer, langsamer und kraftloser wird er.Das sollte man dabei bedenken.


    8. Message by: topfive1111 10/08/2004 18:36:14 GMT
      muss nicht sein.man muss nur wissen wie.der dritte motor kann ja schliesslich auch beim antrieb helfen.
      aber da die aufgaben im vergleich zu den letzten beiden jahren ziemlich leicht sind(wir sind schon fast fertig=365 punkte), sollte es da ja keine probleme geben.


    9. Message by: topfive1111 10/08/2004 18:36:39 GMT
      eigentlich.


Discussion: Kann man einen 3 Motor benutzen By: LegoFredos1070 11/05/2004 22:51:26 GMT


  1. Message by: magiccreators1120 09/28/2004 16:36:05 GMT
    ja


    1. Message by: wisrds1084 10/27/2004 16:45:35 GMT
      ja nur kein 4ten


    2. Message by: Crazy Robots 1131 10/31/2004 19:00:10 GMT
      Nun, kann man zwei Werkzeuge mit je einem Motor bauen (plus 2 Motoren f*r R*der) wenn jeweils nur 3 Motoren (also Fahrgestell und jeweils ein Werkzeug) auf dem Tisch sind? Oder d*rfen nur 3 Motoren mit an den Tisch genommen werden?
      Gruss
      HoM


    3. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 11/05/2004 22:51:26 GMT
      ganz genau so seh ich dat. Ihr d*rft nur drei MOtoren mit an den Tisch nehmen. Sonst w*r dat ja einfach.


Discussion: Basketball By: BerlinFighters1002 09/29/2004 17:22:25 GMT
Wie weit mu* der Roboter aus der Basis raus sein um zum Beispiel die B*lle in den Korb zu bef*rdern. Reicht es, wen der Roboter lediglich gestartet wird ?
Berlin Fighter*s

  1. Message by: Legoreds 09/27/2004 17:29:46 GMT
    Glaub schon!

    Wenn ihr trefft.

    Jonas


    1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 09/29/2004 17:22:25 GMT
      Wie wollt ihr die Distanz *berbr*cken? Der Roboter muss in die Base passen und werfen halt ich f*r SEHR ungenau.


Discussion: aufgabenablauf By: magiccreators1120 10/03/2004 22:24:05 GMT
hi. muss man ale gegenst*nde auk em spielfeld lessen gal welche aufgabe man macht?

  1. Message by: magiccreators1120 09/28/2004 16:31:30 GMT
    nein


    1. Message by: magiccreators1120 09/28/2004 16:31:36 GMT
      doch


    2. Message by: magiccreators1120 09/28/2004 17:15:30 GMT
      vielleicht


    3. Message by: Legomania150 10/01/2004 17:43:47 GMT
      Nee muss man nicht. In den Regeln steht klipp und klar dass "Streuobjekte", die mit der Aufgabe nichts zu tun haben vom feld entfernt werden d*rfen!!!

      Jonas


    4. Message by: RoboCare1095 10/03/2004 22:24:05 GMT
      Dann erkl*r mir mal was Streuobjekte sind in dieser Aufgabe!


Discussion: aufgabenablauf By: magiccreators1120 09/28/2004 16:32:06 GMT
hi.muss man alle gegenst*nde auf dem spielfeld lassen egal welche aufgabe man macht?

Discussion: spielfeldaufbau By: magiccreators1120 10/03/2004 22:22:36 GMT
hi.muss man alle gegenst*nde auf dem spielfeld lassen egal welche aufgabe man macht? bitte beteiligt euch!

  1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 10/03/2004 22:09:22 GMT
    Was Meint Ihr mit Gegenst*nden? Irgendwelche Teile, die Ihr in der Base an den Roboter anbaut? Das kann ich nicht genau sagen. Im zweifels fall w*rde ich sagen, dass alles in die Base passen muss.

    Oder redest Du von den Objekten auf dem Spielfeld, die zu den bestimmten Aufgaben geh*ren (sprich die aus dem Challenge Set)?
    Bei denen kannste einen drauf lassen, dass die da bleiben wo die sind.
    Ansonsten w*r das nicht gerade fair f*r andere. Wenn Ihr das mit dem Tisch und den St*hlen nicht machen wollt, k*nnt Ihr ja nicht einfach den Tisch und die St*hle vor dem Start wegnehmen, damit sie nicht im Weg stehen.
    Verstehste wat ich meine?


    1. Message by: RoboCare1095 10/03/2004 22:21:58 GMT
      Die Ausgangslage auf dem Spieltisch ist gegeben
      Wenn Ihr Tisch und St*hle nicht machen wollt steht euch das frei die mit dem Roboter wegzuschieben
      Was nicht erlaubt ist, ist das eliminieren von Hindernissen per Hand auch nicht vor dem Start!


Discussion: Fragen zum Regelwerk By: Caro Technikhorde1059 11/05/2004 23:01:51 GMT
Hallo,

wir haben mal ein paar Fragen zum Regelwerk:

1. Darf man innerhalb der Matchzeit (150s) den Roboter nach erf*llten Aufgaben zur*cknehmen? Oder muss er allein in die Base um ihn umzubauen?

2. Darf man einen 2ten Roboteruntersatz in der Base lagern und w*hrend des Matches den Rcx darauf umbauen? (z.B. zwei unterschiedliche Antriebe)

3. Darf man mehrere Roboter zum Wettbewerb mitnehmen und zwischen den Matches wechseln? (sich zum Beispiel beim n*chsten Match auf andere Aufgaben konzentrieren)

MfG,

Caro Technikhorde

  1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 09/30/2004 17:07:49 GMT
    Es ist nicht erlaubt mehrere RCX zu verwenden!
    Aus diesem Grund wurde letztes Jahr schon ein Team disqualifiziert.


    1. Message by: robofreaks1010 10/02/2004 12:14:57 GMT
      M*GLICHKEIT DREI IST ERLAUBT: ABER NICHT UMWECHSELN INNERHALB DER AKTEULLEN RUNDE:


    2. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 10/03/2004 22:18:04 GMT
      Das Zweite d*rfte von der Seite des Regelwerks auch nicht das gro*e Problem sein, solange die Teilebeschr*nkungen nicht *berschritten werden. Aber dadurch w*rdet Ihr euch selbst stark einschr*nken.

      Die Begrenzung der Elektronikteile gilt dann f*r beide Roboter zusammen, weil sie in der selben Runde eingesetzt werden. Das hei*t: 3Motoren f*r 2 Chassis mit werkzeugen dran. Wenn man bedenkt, dass man egal wie man das l*st f*r den Antrieb wenigstens 2 Motoren braucht, macht das wenig sinn ...

      M*glichkeit eins kann man schon machen, aber dann gibt es zumindest Bonuspunktabzug. und wenn Ihr dass "ganz zuf*llig" immer wieder macht, k*nnte ich mir vorstellen, dass Ihr sogar disqualifiziert werdet.

      MfG

      Der Ober-Robotron


    3. Message by: EWG Rob1 11/03/2004 11:41:37 GMT
      Werden wir disquallifiziert wenn wir den Roboter auserhalb der Base mehr als 8 mal ber*hren ?


    4. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 11/05/2004 22:59:53 GMT
      wie kommt ihr auf 8 mal? in einer runde 8 mal? ich w*rd sagen, die kucken dann zumindest komisch. genau kann ichs nat*rlich nich sagen. da m*sst ihr schon nachfragen


    5. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 11/05/2004 23:01:51 GMT
      hab zu dem Thema gerade was gefunden:

      magiccreators1120 - 10:41am Nov 2, 2004 ( 3.)

      Es gibt pro Anfassen des Roboters 10 Punkte Abzug! Lohnt sich also nicht... :,)


Discussion: Hi Leute By: magiccreators1120 11/11/2004 23:54:03 GMT
Wie gehts? Wie weit seit ihr schon? Wie findet ihr die Pr*sentationsaufgabe und die Aufgaben zur Progrmmierung? Keep cool! MB

  1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 10/05/2004 22:51:36 GMT
    Ich sach nur eins: Es brummt. Aber die Forschungssache is ja wirklich harter Tobak ...


    1. Message by: magiccreators1120 11/01/2004 12:43:08 GMT
      was wollt ihr mit tabak


    2. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 11/11/2004 23:54:03 GMT
      dat is ne redensart, du witzknicker ... damit mein ich, dass das nich einfach zu machen is.
      wie is denn so gelaufen bei euch? oder wart ihr noch nicht zur regionalausscheidung? wenn nich, wie l*ufts dann bei euch?


Discussion: Wie weit seid ihr schon so??? By: topfive1111 11/07/2004 14:37:12 GMT
Hallo, wir wollten mal fragen wie weit ihr so seit? Wie viel Punkte habt ihr schon?Wir liegen im Moment erst bei ca. 365 Punkten. Kann man noch ausbauen, wird langsam aber schwierig.
Freuen uns auf Antworten.

P.S.:Schon mit Forschungauftrag angefangen??

  1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 10/08/2004 19:40:57 GMT
    Wie schafft ihr das in der relativ knappen Zeit?
    --->Chiptuning???

    Erledigt ihr alle Aufgaben? Wenn nicht, Welche denn?


    1. Message by: magiccreators1120 11/02/2004 10:11:30 GMT
      ihr seit l*gner ... wie kann man nur so dumm sein un d nur 365 punkte haben.lol. wir haben momentan nur ca. 1465 punkte is aber noch gut ausbauf*hig.wird langsam immer einfacher. ihr wolltet uns nur vorspielen das wir super sind und uns in sicherheit wiegen.


    2. Message by: topfive1111 11/04/2004 12:59:15 GMT
      wir haben im moment 375 punkte. wir machen alles, au*er die b*lle(5 noch *brig) in den gro*en korb auf unserer seite zu werden, deshalb keine 400 sondern nur 375.und ihr?was macht ihr so?


    3. Message by: Legoreds 11/07/2004 14:37:12 GMT
      SCHADE WIR HOLEN GERADE EINMAL 1269 PUNKTE BEI UNS WIRD ES ABER AUCH IMMER LEICHTER WENN WIR FERTIG SIND WERDEN ES CA 1726,48 PUNKTE SEIN ABER NAJ VIELLEICHT AUCH NOCH EIN PAAR MEHR
      DA UNSER ROBOTER FLIEGEN KANN ERLEDIGEN WIR ALLE AUFGABEN AUF ALLEN FELDERN DIE ES BEIM REGINALWETTBEWERB WIR BRINGEN NOCH EINEN WEITEREN TISCH F*R MEHR PUNKTE MIT
      WIR HATTEN UNS *BERLEGT ZU DEN ANDEREN REGIONALWETTBEWERBEN ZU FLIEGEN DOCH DAZU REICHEN DIE 2.5 MINUTEN GANZ KNAPP NICHT JEDOCH SIND WIR GERADE DABEI UNSREN ROBO SOWEIT ZU TUNEN BIS ER MACH 4 ERREICHEN KANN!!!!! VIEL SPA* BEIM VERLIEREN!!!


Discussion: aufgabenablauf By: magiccreators1120 10/13/2004 21:28:36 GMT
muss man die aufgaben in einer Reihenfolge l*sen?

  1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 10/13/2004 21:28:36 GMT
    nein, k*nnt ihr machen wie ihr lustig seid.
    ihr d*rft nur nich mehr von der treppe runter, wenn ihr einmal oben wart


Discussion: aufgabenablauf By: magiccreators1120 10/13/2004 21:31:10 GMT
wenn man eine aufgabe gel*st hat, wird die aufgabe dann abgebaut?

  1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 10/13/2004 21:31:10 GMT
    nein, das w*r ja zu sch*n. da k*nntet ihr ja erst alles machen was nah dran ist und dann ohne hindernisse nach hinten brettern.
    es bleibt alles da stehen, wo es gestanden hat, es sei denn ihr fahrt es um. und daf*r k*nnte es Abzug geben (strategische zerst*rung des spielfelds)


Discussion: aufgabenablauf By: magiccreators1120 10/22/2004 10:40:17 GMT
wenn man eine aufgabe gel*st hat, wird die aufgabe dann abgebaut?

  1. Message by: Healthy_Robots 10/22/2004 10:40:17 GMT
    N* eigentlich nicht


Discussion: Startposition By: WoinemRobonnics48 10/14/2004 20:00:52 GMT
Hallo, uns ist nicht klar, wie der Roboter zu Beginn stehen muss: Exakt mittig ausgerichtet, also direkt vor dem 3m Zeichen. Oder kann er krumm und schief positioniert werden, Hauptsache er steht innerhalb der Base??

Gruss und gutes Gelingen...

  1. Message by: RoboCare1095 10/14/2004 20:00:52 GMT
    der darf nirgends *ber die baselinie rausschauen auch ned in 40 cm h*he


Discussion: BASE verlassen - welche Richtung?? By: EWG Rob1 11/05/2004 19:00:58 GMT
in welche richtung darf die base verlassen werden - nach RECHTS oder nur nach VORN??

  1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 10/17/2004 22:36:45 GMT
    is ganz egal


    1. Message by: Legoreds 11/05/2004 19:00:58 GMT
      Nein, man darf die Base nur nach oben verlassen. Also man darf nur aus der Base wenn der Roboter eine H*he von 30cm *ber der Platte hat.:) :) :)

      Quatsch nat*rlich ist es Egal!!


Discussion: aufgabenzeit By: magiccreators1120 10/18/2004 20:31:09 GMT
hat man f*r alle aufgaben zusammen nur 150s oder f*r eine?

  1. Message by: WoinemRobonnics48 10/18/2004 20:31:09 GMT
    ganz klar: f*r alle!!!


Discussion: Dritten Motor mit Aufbau wechseln By: Robokids 11/01/2004 20:12:51 GMT
Dass auf dem Bot nur drei Motoren verwendet werden d*rfen, ist mir klar. Darf ich aber am Tisch mit mehreren Motoren stehen. Ich meine damit: Ist es m*glich, dass man die Aufbauten inkl. Motor wechseln kann? Es w*ren dann ja nur 3 Motoren auf dem Bot.
Vielleicht ist diese Frage doof, aber wir nehmen heuer zum ersten Mal an der FLL teil.

  1. Message by: RoboCare1095 10/22/2004 12:08:24 GMT
    Nachdem ich die Foren intensiv gelesen habe auch USA gehe ich davon aus dass du am Wettkampftisch nur 1 RCX und 3 Motoren haben darfst - Also kein Motorwechsel

    Bedenke dass ist meine pers*nliche Ansicht
    Wenn du sicher gehen willst frag bei Hands on nach


    1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 10/28/2004 20:25:55 GMT
      W*rd ich nich drauf ankommen lassen. Letztes Jahr hat ein Team verschiedene Roboter f*r die Aufgaben gebaut(also die Teilebegrenzung f*r jeden einzelnen Roboter eingehalten, insgesamt aber zu viele Elektronikteile verbaut). Die wurden disqualifiziert.

      Im prinzip d*rf Ihr immer nur soviele Elektronikteile mit in eine Runde nehmen wie die Vorgabe ist.

      Ob ihr zur n*chsten Runde einen anderen Aufbau aus der Trickkiste zaubert und daf*r den anderen aus der Runde davor mitsamt Motor weglasst, ist v*llig egal. So haltet Ihr euch ja wieder an das Teile-Limit.


    2. Message by: robofreaks1010 11/01/2004 20:12:51 GMT
      Wir machen jetzt zum zweiten Mal mit. Es ist eindeutig so, dass man insgesamt , wirklich insgesamt, f*r vollkommen alle Sachen, d.h. den Unterbau, der sich bewegt und s*mtliche Aufbauten, drei Motoren benutzen darf. Ihr m*sst eben probieren, Aufgaben ohne Motor zu l*sen oder mit einer Vorrichtung mehrere Aufgaben zu erf*llen. Aber eindeutig f*r wirklich alles nur drei Motoren. Sonst seid ihr drau*en.


Discussion: aufgabenzeit By: magiccreators1120 10/26/2004 15:56:32 GMT
l*uft die zeit, wenn man in der base ist, weiter?

  1. Message by: RoboCare1095 10/26/2004 15:55:04 GMT
    JA


    1. Message by: magiccreators1120 10/26/2004 15:56:32 GMT
      danke


Discussion: zeit zwischen den matches By: magiccreators1120 10/28/2004 08:27:43 GMT
wie vi*l zeit hat man zwischen den matches?

  1. Message by: robofreaks1010 10/28/2004 08:27:43 GMT
    Das kommt auf die Runde an, in der man sich befindet, und wie viele Mannschaften vor Ort sind. Es gibt bei den Wettbewerben eine genaue Zeitvorgabe. Das kann also am Anfang, wenn alle Mannschaften 3 mal durchlaufen m*ssen, auch mal eine halbe Stunde sein ca., dann sp*ter, je weniger Mannschaften, desto weniger Zeit zwischendurch.


Discussion: Aufgaben & Punkte By: Robotron2.0_1029 11/02/2004 09:45:58 GMT
Wie viele Aufgaben l*st ihr?
Wieviele Punkte herreicht ihr?
Wieviel Zeit habt ihr noch wenn ihr alles erledigt habt was ihr wolltet?

  1. Message by: magiccreators1120 11/02/2004 09:45:58 GMT
    wir l*sen alle aufgaben perfekt. *ggg*


Discussion: roboter By: magiccreators1120 11/05/2004 22:54:53 GMT
muss man der jury seinen roboter vorstellen?

  1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 11/05/2004 22:54:53 GMT
    ja. die gehen rum und schaun sich das ger*t an. und ihr m*sst dann halt erkl*ren, was ihr wie gel*st habt usw...


Discussion: matchende By: magiccreators1120 11/01/2004 12:59:35 GMT
wenn die matchzeit endet w*hrend man eine aufgabe l*st, wird die aufgabe dann zu ende gel*st werden

Discussion: matchende2 By: magiccreators1120 11/05/2004 22:57:34 GMT
muss man vor abllauf der zeit in die base zur*ck, damit die aufgaben gewertet werden

  1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 11/05/2004 22:57:34 GMT
    das steht in den regeln drin, dass man am ende auf der treppe stehen muss. wenn man einmal auf der treppe drauf ist, darf man da auch nich mehr runter.

    lest ihr die regeln eigentlich alle nich??


Discussion: matchende2 By: magiccreators1120 11/02/2004 11:27:51 GMT
muss man vor abllauf der zeit in die base zur*ck, damit die aufgaben gewertet werden

Discussion: International Final? By: chaosdesigner1051 12/02/2004 15:27:21 GMT
Wie ist das eigentlich mit dem US-Open?
Findet das statt oder ist das eine Fehlinformation?


Folder: Internationals in Georgia [US] 02/23/2005 00:38:53 GMT
Who are the teams going to the Internationals in Atlanta, Georgia? We are the L3 Robot Rulers from Western New York and would like to know who is going. Please post your response in the United States folder under
Miscellaneous
and then under folder
1 World Festival in Atlanta, Georgia.

Thanks
L3 Robot Rulers

Discussion: Internationals in Atlanta, Georgia auf Deutsch By: RobotRulers776 02/23/2005 00:38:53 GMT
Wer sind die Mannschaften, die zum Internationals in Atlanta, Georgia gehen? Wir sind die Lehren des Roboters L3 von neuem Westyork und m*chten wissen, wem geht. Geben Sie bitte Ihre Antwort im Staatheft unter Verschiedenem und dann unter festival des Heftes 1 Weltin Atlanta, Georgia bekannt. RobotercLehren Des Dankes L3


Folder: Werbekampagne 11/02/2004 09:48:33 GMT
Naturlich soll man dien Werbekampagne ausf*hren!!!

Discussion: Wie? By: Robotron2.0_1029 11/02/2004 09:48:33 GMT
Wie soll man die Werbekampagne ausf*hren?

  1. Message by: magiccreators1120 11/02/2004 09:48:33 GMT
    garnich


Discussion: Forschungsauftrag By: Legoreds 11/10/2004 14:38:18 GMT


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    2. Message by: Legoreds 09/16/2004 20:23:30 GMT
      Hi wie findet ihr den Forschungsauftrag?

      Jonas


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    7. Message by: wisrds1084 09/22/2004 16:19:05 GMT
      Ach seid doch alle still !!!!!!!!!


    8. Message by: wisrds1084 09/22/2004 16:19:22 GMT
      Ach seid doch alle still


    9. Message by: Legoreds 09/22/2004 18:41:17 GMT
      warum?


    10. Message by: Legoreds 09/22/2004 19:54:54 GMT
      Nun zum Thema Forschungsauftrag. Was meint ihr?

      Jonas


    11. Message by: magiccreators1120 11/05/2004 18:04:22 GMT
      Wir haben 3 M*dchen, die alles f*r uns machen!


    12. Message by: Legoreds 11/05/2004 18:55:27 GMT
      Sklaventreiber!!!!!!!!!!!

      PS: Wir haben 6 haha!


    13. Message by: Healthy_Robots 11/06/2004 11:03:58 GMT
      Bei uns ist alles echte Mannesarbeit. Darum gewinnen wir auch:-)


    14. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 11/07/2004 19:40:11 GMT
      Haben wir ja gesehen. Gl*ckwunsch nochmal!
      Habts verdient. eure Prothese hat mich echt beeindruckt.

      Sehen uns in Tauberbischofsheim

      --->Robotron strikes back!

      Als denn

      Stefan, der Ober-Robotron


    15. Message by: Healthy_Robots 11/10/2004 14:38:18 GMT
      Danke bis am 27.11.04,fahrt wir jetzt eigentlich mit euch nach Tauberbischofsheim?Aber euer Roboter hat uns noch mehr beeindruckt.Sehen uns in Tauberbischofsheim .
      PS:Schonen Gru* von den Healthy_Robots


Discussion: Forschungsauftrag By: Legoreds 10/11/2004 06:56:11 GMT
Das Thema ist ziemlich undeutlich beschrieben

  1. Message by: Legoreds 09/16/2004 20:26:28 GMT
    Ja gut. Ich finde der Anfang ist gut. nur der Dritte Teil.
    "Teilt euer wissen anderen mir" was soll das den bedeuten?

    An Legoreds: Schreibt mal den namen darunter.

    Jonas


    1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 09/18/2004 17:46:21 GMT
      Tach zusammen!
      "Teilt euer wissen anderen mit" k*nnte was wie ne pr*sentation sein. Oder ne Werbekampagne. Man sollte aber den bogen nicht *berspannen.

      Der Ober-Robotron


    2. Message by: Legoreds 09/19/2004 20:42:42 GMT
      Werbekampagne! Soll man die nur vorstellen oder auch ausf*hren?


    3. Message by: wisrds1084 09/22/2004 16:15:36 GMT
      hallo


    4. Message by: wisrds1084 09/22/2004 16:19:39 GMT
      hallo??


    5. Message by: wisrds1084 09/22/2004 16:20:14 GMT
      ist jemand da?


    6. Message by: RoboCare1095 09/22/2004 16:25:21 GMT
      das ist kein chatraum!!!
      Das ist ein forum

      Also schreibt hier kein belangloses Zeug rein!


    7. Message by: wisrds1084 09/22/2004 16:27:06 GMT
      hat jemand fragen?


    8. Message by: Legoreds 09/22/2004 19:52:43 GMT
      Das ist nicht b*se gemeint aber ihr seit das zweite Team, dass es nicht verstanden hat. :))))

      L*scht bitte mal den Quatsch!

      Jonas


    9. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 09/22/2004 21:26:22 GMT
      Ich denk ja mal, dass vorstellen reichen sollte. alles andere kann ja keine Sau bezahlen ... M*sste ja nich mal was ausgearbeitetes sein eher was wie ein grober rahmen mit ma*nahmen.


    10. Message by: Legoreds 09/23/2004 13:00:56 GMT
      Ok hast Recht vielleicht kann man es ja auch so hinkriegen das es weniger kostet.

      Jonas


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    13. Message by: Legoreds 09/27/2004 17:26:59 GMT
      Wie oft habt ihr schon Teilgenommen?

      Auch 3 mal!

      Sonst w*r ich noch nicht so laut.
      Die erfahrung z*hlt

      Jonas


    14. Message by: Legoreds 09/28/2004 13:58:51 GMT
      Sach ma Legomania!
      Denkt ihr jetzt ihr w*rt *berhaupt die macks?
      Kommt mir irgendwie so vor!


    15. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 09/29/2004 17:28:04 GMT
      Wie sollte man das "Ausf*hren" denn umsetzen?


    16. Message by: Legoreds 10/11/2004 06:56:11 GMT
      Villeicht hat eure Stadt nen offenen Kanal!!!

      Jonaszinn


Discussion: Das Challenge Set By: Legoreds 09/19/2005 16:43:11 GMT
Hi, habt ihr das Challenge Set schon bekommen?

Jonas

  1. Message by: RoboCare1095 09/18/2004 10:15:24 GMT
    Ist bei mit gestern Freitag 17.9. eingetroffen

    Ueber die Portokosten von 35* (Schweiz) bin ich jedoch gar nicht begeistert. Auf den FLL Seiten steht 12* !


    1. Message by: Legoreds 09/19/2004 20:38:11 GMT
      35 Euro!!!!!!!!! Die letzten Jahre waren es in Deutschland 7 Euro. Da sind 35 Euro in die Schweiz aber sehr viel.
      Bei uns ist es immer noch nicht da. Ich hoffe es kommt morgen (Montag). Die letzten beiden Jahre bekamen wir es wegen Problemen immer 1 1/2 wochen sp*ter.

      Jonas

      P.S: 35 Euro und dann noch 150 (75) Euro anmeldegeb*r! Oh Man


    2. Message by: John Smith 09/21/2004 19:31:12 GMT
      Hallo,

      bei uns ist das Challenge Set noch nicht angekommen. So langsam mache ich mir auch Sorgen, ob es denn noch vor den Herbstferien in Berlin (ab 1.10.) eintrifft.

      Gerade als Neuling, das unser Team ist, ist es ein wenig r*tselhaft, was wohl alles auf dieser Tischauflage zu sehen ist. Gibt es darauf Orientierungspunkte oder Linien, denen der Roboter folgen kann? Hat jemand die Auflage als PDF oder in anderer Form?

      Viele Gr**e
      Manuel (Coach nn1124)


    3. Message by: wisrds1084 09/22/2004 16:30:13 GMT
      Be us sit ads Challenger Set schon angekommen and wir alle sind erfreut ueber das.Auch ueber all Teile zum bauen.


    4. Message by: Legoreds 09/22/2004 19:49:59 GMT
      Falls es noch nicht angekommen ist schreibt mal an die Juliane Riedel, das haben wir gemacht und dabei ist herausgekommen, dass es an die falsche Adresse geschickt wurde. :((

      1. Jahr 2 Wochen versp*tung!! :)))
      2. Jahr falsche Adresse 1 1/2 Wochen versp*tung. :((
      Diese Jahr auch an die falsche Adresse :(

      Was f*r ein Mist!!

      Jonas


    5. Message by: John Smith 09/24/2004 14:50:39 GMT
      Mittlerweile habe ich bei LPE angerufen und erfahren, dass das Set noch nicht verschickt wurde, da das Erfinder-Set, welches ich zus*tzlich bestellt hatte, derzeit nicht lieferbar ist und man daher noch warten wollte, bis eine Komplettlieferung m*glich wird.

      Naja, jetzt m*sste eigentlich heute oder morgen die Teillieferung des Challenge Sets ankommen...

      Viele Gr**e
      Manuel (Coach nn1124)


    6. Message by: Legoreds 09/24/2004 20:38:25 GMT
      hallo!
      Wir haben das challenge set heute (18.47 uhr) bekommen
      ganz sch*n viel zum aufbauen!
      Mehr als letztes und vorletztes jahr!

      Legoreds Bauer und Programmierer
      Jonas und NiKo


    7. Message by: LegoFredos1070 09/25/2004 14:16:07 GMT
      Kann man einen Dritten Motor ben*tzen
      und wo bekomme ich so etwas


      1. Message by: Trittau Team 1094 09/29/2004 11:54:46 GMT
        Du musst ihn dier bestellen
        www.lego.de


    8. Message by: robofreaks1010 09/25/2004 15:37:25 GMT
      Hallo Legofredos,
      wir d*rfen drei Motoren ben*tzen. Man bekommt sie z.B. bei LPE, da kann man alle Teile einzeln bestellen. Oder bei ebay, da gibt es im Moment auch fast alles von Mindstorms. Allerdings darf man nur drei Motoren insgesamt benutzen, also wenn man zwei f*r die Fortbewegung nutzen w*rde, dann w*rde man noch einen einzigen f*r alle anderen Aufgaben *brig haben.
      Die Robofreaks aus Herten


    9. Message by: block1058 09/28/2004 20:51:41 GMT
      Hi, von meiner Schule kommen zwei Teams. Bei einem ist das Set eingetroffen, beim anderen fehlt es noch. Zum Gl*ck haben wir nicht zwei Matten bekommen, sondern eine Matte und einen Bausatz. Dirk


    10. Message by: Legoreds 09/29/2004 06:37:52 GMT
      Schreibt mal an Juliane!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Jonas


    11. Message by: 09/29/2004 15:44:11 GMT
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    12. Message by: SAPocean 09/19/2005 09:14:11 GMT
      Ist es ratsam, das Spielfeld auf unserem Tisch aufzukleben (z.B. mit Teppichklebeband)? Oder brauchen wir unser eigenes Spielfeld beim Wettbewerb?


    13. Message by: FL FLL Volunteer Moderator 09/19/2005 16:43:11 GMT
      Hi,

      Don't glue the mat down, use the carpet tape or let the mat flatten out by itself. You can put it in the sun and it will help.

      Have Fun
      -Laura


Discussion: WeLcHeR rEgIoNaLwEtTbEwErB??? By: Legoreds 11/07/2004 20:08:55 GMT
Hi Leute hab mal ein paar frage an euch!!!!!!!!
1.An welchem Regionalwettbewerb nehmt ihr teil?
Wir in Frankfurt/Main ( Wenn bis dahin das challenge set ankommt :) )
2.Das wievielte mal nehmt ihr dieses Jahr teil?
Wir schon das dritte mal!
3.Seid ihr schon einmal in das Bundesfinale gekommen?
Wir schon! 2 mal!

NiKo

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    1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 11/07/2004 20:08:55 GMT
      Wir waren in Bocholt... ...in Tauberbischotsheim gehts weiter!!!


Discussion: Wie weit seit ihr? By: Healthy_Robots 10/07/2004 21:11:17 GMT
Wie habt ihr Sponsoren bekommen?

  1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 10/06/2004 23:47:47 GMT
    Wir haben uns da gar nicht drum bem*ht. Wir haben alle einen gleichen Anteil eingezahlt und so alles aus eigener Tasche bezahlt.
    Ich w*rde einfach mal verschiedene Firmen fragen, ob die nicht interesse h*tten, euch zu sponsorn. Wenn die h*ren, dass Ihr von einer Schule kommt, sind die euch wahrscheinlich wohlgesonnen. Am besten kann man Firmen nehmen, die sich Ausbildung gro* auf die Fahnen schreiben.
    Im weiteren Sinne z*hlt die FLL ja auch zur (aus)bildung ...


    1. Message by: RoboCare1095 10/07/2004 21:11:17 GMT
      Nun ich denke wenn man Leute aus Firmen fragt die einem nahe stehen kann man den einen oder andern Franken (Euro) bekommen .


Discussion: Maximale Punktzahl? By: Legoreds 11/17/2004 17:13:00 GMT
Hi wie viele Punkte k*nnt ihr maximal holen?
Seid ihr schon fertig mit programmieren?

Jonas

  1. Message by: magiccreators1120 10/27/2004 18:38:06 GMT
    Nat*rlich sind wir noch NICHT fertig! Doch ich glaube, dass wir etwa 150 Punkte oder mehr schaffen. Und Ihr?

    Benny


    1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 10/28/2004 12:56:08 GMT
      Programmierarbeit wurde so eben beendet!
      77% der durchschnittlichen maximal zu erreichenden Punktzahl erreicht.
      Jetzt kommt feintuning.


      1. Message by: EWG Rob1 11/03/2004 13:25:32 GMT
        Was versteht ihr unter der "durchschnittlichen maximal zu erreichenden Punktzahl"? Und wie berechnet ihr sie?


        1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 11/05/2004 22:49:02 GMT
          ganz einfach: z*hl alles zusammen, was aufm punktezettel steht und geh dabei jeweils von einer komplett gel*sten aufgabe (z.B Tor rastet ein) aus.
          und dann kuckt mal wieviel prozent ihr davon mit euren erreichten punken bekommt. maximale punktzahl sind (glaub ich) 365 Punkte.


          1. Message by: PGH-Fire-Bots 11/17/2004 17:13:00 GMT
            seit ihr sicher das es genau 365 punkte gibt. wir schaffen immer alle aufgaben in der vorgegebenen zeit haben aber noch nie so viele punkte erreicht. habt ihr eine ideee was wir noch machen k*nnen uns ist schon sau langweilig!!!G*hn!!!!!!!!


    2. Message by: magiccreators1120 11/02/2004 09:46:49 GMT
      wir schaffen doch mehr


    3. Message by: Legoreds 11/05/2004 18:49:44 GMT
      Hi wir schafen im durchschnitt 99 Punkte und wenn wir Gl*ck haben 111.

      magiccreators,
      wieviele Punkte schafft ihr jetzt?

      Robotron wieviele Punkte sind das?


    4. Message by: magiccreators1120 11/07/2004 20:51:18 GMT
      Wir haben beim Wettbewerb 30 Punkte bekommen!


    5. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 11/09/2004 23:33:44 GMT
      Die 77% m*ssten ca. 280 Punkten entsprechen.


Discussion: Wieviele punkte? By: Legoreds 12/02/2004 15:22:54 GMT
Wieviele punkte holt ihr sicher?

Werbung: bushidos neues album electro ghetto ab 25.10.04 im handel
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!KAUFEN!!!!!!!!!!!

  1. Message by: chaosdesigner1051 12/02/2004 15:22:54 GMT
    357


Discussion: aufgaben By: magiccreators1120 10/22/2004 14:13:14 GMT
darf man 2 aufgaben in einem lauf kombinieren und sie zusammen l*sen

  1. Message by: WoinemRobonnics48 10/19/2004 21:07:49 GMT
    Aber ja doch!


    1. Message by: Legoreds 10/21/2004 11:08:31 GMT
      nein das ist vollkommen verboten
      quatsch
      nat*rlich d*rft ihr das
      warum auch nicht


    2. Message by: magiccreators1120 10/22/2004 14:13:14 GMT
      Was ist ein Match?


Discussion: Was ist ein Match? By: magiccreators1120 11/11/2004 16:43:49 GMT
Was ist ein Match?Hatjedes Team nur ein Match?

  1. Message by: wisrds1084 10/23/2004 00:22:47 GMT
    Auf einigen Seiten gibt es einen Ablaufplan f*r den Wettkampf:

    Zuerst eine "Vorrunde": Jedes Team spielt 3 Mal

    Dann die 2 Halbfinals: Die besten 4 aus der Vorrunde spielen je eine Runde.

    Dann der Final der beiden Halbfinal-Sieger: 1 Runde

    Zwischen Vorrunde und Halbfinals finden die Forsuchungs-Pr*sentationen statt.


    1. Message by: EWG Rob1 11/04/2004 12:15:02 GMT
      Also darf jedes Team mindestens 3x spielen


    2. Message by: annarobo1092 11/11/2004 16:43:49 GMT
      Jede hat drei Versuche und der Beste wird Gewertet



Folder: - FRANCE - [for French members] 04/03/2005 14:32:26 GMT
Please post all discussions that concerns France in this folder.


Folder: bus 09/24/2004 09:30:58 GMT
urgence:quel est la auteur du drapeau (pour bus)
est ce que le drapeau blanc est au milieu



Folder: chaise 09/17/2004 11:46:15 GMT
es que on peut metre les chaise sou la table svp


Folder: chaises 09/17/2004 11:09:52 GMT
comment il faut faire pour d*placer les chaises


Folder: chaises 09/17/2004 11:09:52 GMT
comment il faut faire pour deplacer les chaises


Folder: Internationals in Georgia [US] 02/23/2005 00:41:43 GMT
Who are the teams going to the Internationals in Atlanta, Georgia? We are the L3 Robot Rulers from Western New York and would like to know who is going. Please post your response in the United States folder under
Miscellaneous
and then under folder
1 World Festival in Atlanta, Georgia.

Thanks
L3 Robot Rulers

Discussion: internationals * Atlanta, la G*orgie en fran*ais By: RobotRulers776 02/23/2005 00:41:43 GMT
Qui sont les *quipes allant * l'Internationals * Atlanta, la G*orgie? Nous sommes les gouverneurs du robot L3 de New York occidental et voudrions savoir qui va. Veuillez signaler votre r*ponse dans la chemise des Etats-Unis sous divers et puis sous le festival du monde de la chemise 1 * Atlanta, la G*orgie. R*gles De Robot Merci L3


Folder: Lunettes 09/17/2004 11:18:45 GMT


Discussion: slt By: tezenas 11/16/2004 05:48:31 GMT


  1. Message by: tezenas 09/17/2004 11:25:41 GMT
    comen on fai pour doner la nouritur pour l* animaux


    1. Message by: tezenas 09/17/2004 11:26:42 GMT
      pourkoi vs r*pond pa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    2. Message by: computer nerds 11/16/2004 05:48:31 GMT
      Premier chose, tu dois travailler sur ton francais! Ok, pour ton question, tu dois juste mettre sur le carr* rouge.


Discussion: les animaux By: tezenas 01/07/2005 20:12:54 GMT
tu te debrouile

  1. Message by: tezenas 09/24/2004 09:44:13 GMT
    avons nous le droit de toucher les animaux???


    1. Message by: tezenas 09/24/2004 09:45:18 GMT
      VAS Y....REPOND


    2. Message by: tezenas 09/24/2004 09:46:35 GMT
      OU DOIT ON PRENDRE LA NOURRITURE


    3. Message by: tezenas 09/24/2004 09:47:24 GMT
      que don ton a mange o animo


    4. Message by: tezenas 09/24/2004 10:39:31 GMT
      sur quel ligne les chaise doit etre pousser urgent


    5. Message by: tezenas 09/24/2004 10:40:27 GMT
      est ce quil faut avoir tout le robot sur la derniere marche


    6. Message by: magiccreators1120 10/05/2004 16:18:49 GMT
      franzosen sind dumm


    7. Message by: Country Breakfast 10/15/2004 17:22:43 GMT
      I wish I could understand french.....


    8. Message by: computer nerds 11/15/2004 03:29:40 GMT
      Oui tu peut toucher les animaux mais si tu les pousse a l'exterieur du carreau rouge, tu ne recoit pas de points. Aussi tout to robot dois etre sur la derniere marche. Je ne suis pas sur avec la chaise mais je pense que ca dois toucher la table avec les deux pas d'avent.


    9. Message by: LAPTEP1 01/07/2005 20:12:54 GMT
      Les chaises doivent *tre * l'int*rieur du trac* ovale (le tapis !?) * la fin de la rencontre.


Discussion: ecaliers By: tezenas 10/05/2004 20:42:02 GMT


  1. Message by: tezenas 09/24/2004 10:40:29 GMT
    le robot doit obligatoirement touch*s la barrieres du fond
    *


    1. Message by: MemorialMustangs908 09/27/2004 21:04:14 GMT
      CAN YOU UNDERSTAND ENGLISH? DO YOU EAT SNAILS? NON? OUI.


      1. Message by: SMART 1 09/28/2004 16:52:26 GMT
        It might be worth noting that many potential judges may be on these forums. Not sure if they'll think rude forum messages are an example of gracious professionalism.


    2. Message by: MemorialMustangs908 09/29/2004 21:41:26 GMT
      Bonjour,I'm sorry about what our team member said, please accept this apology. Au revoir



      Sincerely,
      Jason



    3. Message by: tezenas 10/01/2004 20:20:58 GMT
      ezbrdghrdgdgrdhfdfrhvchfdhfdhfdrdhhththftdu,hj-hntduy


    4. Message by: MemorialMustangs908 10/05/2004 20:42:02 GMT
      smart2555,
      do you forgive her


Discussion: Pouvez vous prendre le hoop * la base et load les boules manuellement? By: TechSavvy926 11/15/2004 03:33:03 GMT
Pouvez vous prendre le hoop * la base et load les boules manuellement?

  1. Message by: magiccreators1120 11/02/2004 15:26:59 GMT
    Do you speak German?


    1. Message by: computer nerds 11/15/2004 03:33:03 GMT
      NON! Tu ne peut pas prendre le hoop parce que l'autre equipe dois essayer de mettre les balles dedans allors si tu fais ca, ca vas etre injuste.


Discussion: Le panier By: Cyberfrog1 01/07/2005 20:08:45 GMT
Peut-on mettre une balle au centre du panier, l'enlever, puis en remettre une pour avoir le double de points

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 12/04/2004 17:47:36 GMT
    Non, Ce nais pas possible. Regarde:

    i D*TERMINATION POINTS : Pour r*duire au minimum les contestations, LES POINTS SONT D*TERMIN*S * LA FIN DE LA RENCONTRE, SUIVANT L'*TAT DE LA PISTE * CE MOMENT-L*. Ceci signifie que des points ne sont pas attribu*s pour des actions que le robot peut accidentellement annuler avant la fin de la rencontre.

    -Skye


    1. Message by: LAPTEP1 01/07/2005 20:08:45 GMT
      Et puis l'*quipe adverse qui passe en m*me temps sur la table peut en profiter pour d*poser la sienne...
      Il n'y a qu'un panier central pour les 2 *quipes, c'est le premier qui a les 50 pts !


Discussion: comp*tition By: Cyberfrog1 01/16/2005 10:10:26 GMT
Je ne comprends pas comment on peut r*aliser un quart et une demi finale avant que toutes les *quipes aient concourues ? N'y a-t-il pas eu confusion entre poule et comp*tition r*elle ? Pourquoi ce changement par rapport aux autres ann*es ?

  1. Message by: LAPTEP1 01/07/2005 20:06:43 GMT
    Il y aura une finale de la poule du matin et une finale de la poule de l'apr*s midi... et donc une super finale en fin d'apr*s midi entre le gagnant du matin et celui del'apr*s-midi.
    La raison de ce choix est li* aux contraintes de la salle de la comp*tition robot. pas plus de 100 personnes en m*me temps aussi pour limiter les d*placements des *l*ves = 2 poules !
    Attention cette ann*e c'est le meileur score des 3 passages en poule qui donne les points pour le classement g*n*ral. (pour le grand prix)
    Par contre le gagnant du troph*e robotique sera le vainqueur de la finale.


    1. Message by: coralie 01/16/2005 10:10:26 GMT
      bonjour, c'est l'*quipe coralie et nous voulons vous dire que l'on a tous *t* content de concourir contre vous et que ce concours est une merveille pour l'animation que *a apporte et pour la r*flexion qu'il faut avoir.


Discussion: bravo By: Dax 04/03/2005 14:32:26 GMT
bravo * l'*quipe de marmande. bonne chance pour Atlanta


Folder: - HOLLAND - [for Dutch members] 02/15/2005 00:54:20 GMT
Please post all discussions that concerns Holland in this folder.


Folder: Bedankt 11/21/2004 14:31:12 GMT
Hallo alle vrijwilligers van de regiofinale in Eindhoven.
Wij willen jullie hartelijk bedanken voor jullie geweldige inzet om er zo'n perfecte dag van te maken.
Tot 22 januari
Risbotics


Folder: eten en dienblad !!!! 10/11/2004 15:49:28 GMT

Heyyy,
Even een vraag vanuit Delft.
Het eten op het dienblad moet dit NAAST de tafel of OP de tafel komen te staan???
Racties zijn welkom.

Gr het Stanislasteam.


Folder: Finale 11/24/2004 16:38:09 GMT


Discussion: Tijden en plaats By: De Handy's 11/24/2004 16:38:09 GMT
Weet iemand of de tijden en locatie al bekent zijn van de regionale finales.

Met de lokatie bedoelen we gebouw etc.

Groeten

De Handy's

  1. Message by: RoBoBende 10/15/2004 14:43:00 GMT
    als jullie in suidholland mee doen dan moet je naar het atrium van de haagse hoge school


    1. Message by: De Handy's 10/18/2004 10:43:10 GMT
      We doen in regio eindhoven mee. Maar toch bedankt RoBoBende.

      Weet iemand waar we de lokatie kan vinden?

      Groeten,

      De Handy's


    2. Message by: Risbotics12 10/18/2004 22:00:18 GMT
      Ik heb begrepen dat dat op het ROC is, maar neem aan dat we daar nog wel wat over horen,
      Risbotics Eindhoven


    3. Message by: Cyborgs 10/19/2004 11:06:37 GMT
      bedankt en succes


    4. Message by: aloysius college 11/24/2004 16:38:09 GMT
      Weet iemand soms al wat meer over de landelijke finale? (plaats, tijden etc.)
      groetjes van absolutely complete



Folder: Internationals in Georgia [US] 02/15/2005 00:54:20 GMT
Who are the teams going to the Internationals in Atlanta, Georgia? We are the L3 Robot Rulers from Western New York and would like to know who is going. Please post your response in the United States folder under
Miscellaneous
and then under folder
1 World Festival in Atlanta, Georgia.

Thanks
L3 Robot Rulers


Folder: Let op!!! 11/03/2004 11:21:50 GMT
Er zijn een aantal onduidelijkheden over wat er wel en niet mag aan de wedstrijdtafel. Hier willen we het een en ander nog eens duidelijk maken.
Procedure voor de finale in regio west (op de haagse hoge school).

Elk team komt 3x aan de wedstrijdtafel en heeft in elke ronde 2,5 minuut om zoveel mogelijk punten te halen. Het hoogste aantal punten in 1 ronde telt. De 3 rondes worden dus niet bij elkaar opgeteld.

Aan de tafel mag niet meer geprogrammeerd worden. Dit moet dus vooraf gedaan worden.

Een team komt aan tafel met 1 robot. Zie de regels op deze site voor welke materialen je mag gebruiken aan tafel. Meerdere stenen mee nemen naar de tafel mag dus niet.


Discussion: Aantal personen aan de tafel By: HCO 11/03/2004 11:21:50 GMT
In Zuid Holland mogen er per team 2 teamleden aan een tafel staan. De rest van het team mag wil in de ring staan maar tegen het hek aan de zijkant. Alleen als er technische problemen zijn mogen er 2 teamleden komen assisteren. Als alles verholpen is gaan ze weer terug.


Folder: Plek van dieren eten in base? 10/23/2004 23:18:14 GMT
Wij zuiden graag willen weten waar de zwarten blokjes van de dieren inde base moeten liggen?
(of maakt het niet uit)
Groetjes het stanislas team.

Discussion: eten dieren By: HCO 10/23/2004 23:18:14 GMT
Gewoon ergens in de basis


Folder: succes!! 10/11/2004 15:38:49 GMT
Wij van het stanislas team wensen jullie allemaal heel veel succes!!!

groetjes het stanislas team!!


Folder: Technische vragen en opmerkingen 01/13/2005 13:21:36 GMT


Discussion: missies By: Cyborgs 11/01/2004 15:29:28 GMT


  1. Message by: Cyborgs 09/22/2004 09:02:58 GMT
    heb je een vraag over de missies ga het dan meteen vragen. elke dag is er wel iemand die op het forum kijkt en dan krijg je meschien een antwoord. suc6 allemaal
    cyborgs


    1. Message by: cosmos2 09/22/2004 15:46:14 GMT
      Waarom kan ik niet in labview opslaan, en waarom krijg
      ik geen nieuwe items op het functie palet?


    2. Message by: de duplo's 09/22/2004 15:58:50 GMT
      als ik met robolab iets download dan slaat ie over en dan moet et overnieuw weet iemand de reden hier van :?


    3. Message by: wisrds1084 09/22/2004 16:28:47 GMT
      Als je de bal in het net aan van de tegenspelers krijgt, telt ie dan nog???


      1. Message by: de duplo's 09/22/2004 19:16:45 GMT
        volgens mij niet dan was et dach ik een punt voor de tegenstanders weet dat niet zkr


      2. Message by: HCO 09/23/2004 15:20:38 GMT
        Ja, volgens mij wel maar voor hen ! en niet jezelf!


      3. Message by: Cyborgs 09/24/2004 15:29:28 GMT
        Als je de regels goed doorneemt staat daar het antwoord:De bal in het gedeelte van het andere team geeft voor je eigen team geen punten! De punten gaan naar het andere team!!


      4. Message by: de duplo's 09/28/2004 12:32:10 GMT
        dan telt ie voor de tegenstander


    4. Message by: de duplo's 09/27/2004 17:09:22 GMT
      zei et toch :P


    5. Message by: de duplo's 09/28/2004 12:34:46 GMT
      aan welke kant moet het slot van de poort


    6. Message by: 09/28/2004 14:24:22 GMT
      Deleted


    7. Message by: de duplo's 10/04/2004 16:26:12 GMT
      maggie de poort ook van de achterkant openen en mag dan dat hekkie weg, en of het dienblad bij het etenbrengen ook op de tafel mag?


    8. Message by: Rikkert 10/06/2004 13:42:05 GMT
      alleen ballen aan jouw kant van het mandje tellen (en als je er 1 in het midden krijgt natuurlijk). Als je een bal aan de kant van de tegenstander erin gooit, telt ie voor de tegenstander. Als de tegenstander een bal aan jouw kant gooit, telt ie voor jou

      de poort mag van alle kanten geopend worden. Het hekje verwijderen mag niet, dit wordt gezien als schade aanbrengen aan de tafel

      de poort moet met de scharnieren (en het slot) aan de kant van de rand van de tafel staan. Het opent dus van de hond en de kat af (naar de robot toe als je er direct heen zou rijden)

      je krijgt voor het serveren van eten alleen alle punten als het dienblad er onder zit


    9. Message by: RoBoBende 10/07/2004 13:42:14 GMT
      Op tijd bij de basket zijn?

      Als je de 50 punten wilt halen voor het scoren van jouw kleur bal in het middelste (witte) mandje, begrijp ik dan goed dat dit een afweging tussen preciesie (raak schieten) en tijd is (er als eerste zijn).
      Want er past natuurlijk maar **n bal in!
      Mag je nadat je robot is teruggekeerd naar de basis een ander programma activeren dat in de grote mand scoort?

      Robobende!


    10. Message by: Rikkert 10/07/2004 19:40:39 GMT
      Je mag zo vaak van programma wisselen als je wilt, als de robot maar helemaal in de basis is.

      Je moet inderdaad zorgen dat je snel je bal in het witte mandje hebt, voordat de tegenstander dit doet, anders kan je dus die punten niet meer halen.


    11. Message by: VanKinderenMuseum 10/14/2004 18:36:39 GMT
      Hallo,
      Ik heb ff 3 vragen.
      1) Wie beslist in welke volgorde de missies gedaan worden? wij zelf? Ik vraag me namenlijk af of je bij de trap-missie helemaal om de tafel heen moet of dat je ertussendoor kan. Als je eerst de stoel-missie doet staan de stoelen op het kleedje en kan dat, maar als de stoelen worden teruggezet of de trap-missie eerst moet kan dit niet. En zet de scheidsrechter na elke missie de stoelen / ballen / enz. weer terug.

      2) Bij de baseball-missie, wordt dan na elke volle punt de bal weer weg gehaald, zodat je kan proberen alleen maar volpunters te halen, of blijft hij liggen zodat je maar **n volpunter kan halen en de rest halfpunters moet maken.

      en dan 3) Wij hebben 5 verschillende robots gebouwt voor verschillende missies. Mogen wij ze om de beurt gebruiken, of mogen we maar**n robot steeds ombouwen (ik begrijp dat er steeds maar **n op het veld mag zijn). En mogen we dan ook onze 5 stenen meenemen en die om de beurt gebruiken? En tot slot: mogen wij dan ook al onze programma's op c.d. zetten zodat wij ze niet tijdens de match hoeven te maken?

      Groet,
      Het Van Kinderen Museum


    12. Message by: VanKinderenMuseum 10/20/2004 20:31:11 GMT
      wordt hier nog antwoord op gegeven???


      1. Message by: De Handy's 10/21/2004 08:31:56 GMT
        1) Wie beslist in welke volgorde de missies gedaan worden? wij zelf?

        Jullie beslissen in welke volgorde de missies worden gedaan.

        Ik vraag me namenlijk af of je bij de trap-missie helemaal om de tafel heen moet of dat je ertussendoor kan. Als je eerst de stoel-missie doet staan de stoelen op het kleedje en kan dat, maar als de stoelen worden teruggezet of de trap-missie eerst moet kan dit niet. En zet de scheidsrechter na elke missie de stoelen / ballen / enz. weer terug.

        Volgens mij kan je vragen om de stoelen en de tafel te laten verwijderen door de scheids (maar weten we niet zeker)

        2) Bij de baseball-missie, wordt dan na elke volle punt de bal weer weg gehaald, zodat je kan proberen alleen maar volpunters te halen, of blijft hij liggen zodat je maar **n volpunter kan halen en de rest halfpunters moet maken.

        We hebben ook geen flauw idee, maar we denken dat je maar 1 volledig punt kan halen.

        en dan 3) Wij hebben 5 verschillende robots gebouwt voor verschillende missies. Mogen wij ze om de beurt gebruiken, of mogen we maar**n robot steeds ombouwen (ik begrijp dat er steeds maar **n op het veld mag zijn). En mogen we dan ook onze 5 stenen meenemen en die om de beurt gebruiken? En tot slot: mogen wij dan ook al onze programma's op c.d. zetten zodat wij ze niet tijdens de match hoeven te maken?

        Zover wij weten mag je voor elke ronde een andere robot gebruiken, maar tijdens de ronde mag je niet van robot wisselen maar wel dingen aan verbouwen als je in de basis staat.

        Als je alles echt zeker wil weten moeten jullie gewoon even contact op nemen met de FLL.

        Groeten,

        De Handy's


    13. Message by: RoBoBende 10/23/2004 15:59:41 GMT
      Bril ophalen?

      Op de valreep nog een vraagje (just to make sure!)
      Mag je robot bij het ophalen van de bril "over het bureau" heen rijden, of moet hij er als het ware "voor" blijven staan (in dat geval heb je best een lange arm nodig).
      Hetzelfde geldt eigenlijk voor het neerleggen van de CD (mag je over de lijnen van het buro heen?)

      Groetjes
      De RoBoBende


    14. Message by: HCO 10/23/2004 23:13:06 GMT
      Hoi,

      Je mag best over het bureau rijden hoor. Het gaat om de uiteindelijke toestand van de tafel, na 2,5 minuten wordt de score opgemaakt.
      Pa op met lange armen omdat de hele robot (inclusief armen ed) binnen de basis moet passen (dus niet mag uitsteken)!


    15. Message by: Cyborgs 11/01/2004 15:28:16 GMT
      mag je een stoel weghalen bij de missie bushalte?


    16. Message by: Cyborgs 11/01/2004 15:29:28 GMT
      mag je verchillende stoelen laten weghalen


    17. Message by: GMT


Discussion: Robolab/labview By: cosmos2 01/13/2005 13:21:36 GMT
problemen m.b.t. Labview,inventor-niveau's

  1. Message by: cosmos2 09/24/2004 10:48:16 GMT
    We kunnen enkel inventor-niveau 1 gebruiken, en we kunnen hierin tevens ook niet opslaan


    1. Message by: De Handy's 09/24/2004 12:56:55 GMT
      Jullie hebben het over de software als dat zo is probeer opnieuw te installeren

      Veel suc6

      De Handy's


    2. Message by: 09/28/2004 14:22:30 GMT
      Deleted


    3. Message by: calvijn 01/13/2005 13:21:36 GMT
      onze rcx negeert de order rotatie herstellen weet iemand iets?


Discussion: We missen onderdelen By: De Handy's 10/07/2004 12:55:52 GMT
We zijn de missie bouwwerken aan het maken en missen na 3 bouwerken al 8 onderdelen. Wie heeft dit probleem ook en waar kan ik snel een "nabestelling" doen?

  1. Message by: de duplo's 09/27/2004 16:24:13 GMT
    bij Heutink, denke we


    1. Message by: Rikkert 10/06/2004 13:39:19 GMT
      Wij hebben verschillende dozen met missiemodellen gebouwd en nergens misten wij onderdelen. Kijk nog eens goed na of je in al je modellen de juiste onderdelen hebt gebruikt.


    2. Message by: De Handy's 10/07/2004 12:55:52 GMT
      We hebben onderhand al een nieuwe doos gehad. De doos was niet compleet. Zo nu kunnen we wel weer verder

      Maar bedankt iedereen.

      De Handy's


Discussion: Etensbak en ballen tillen By: Gemini College 10/21/2004 08:33:59 GMT
Klein, misschien vreemd vraagje, bij het onderdeel "Opstelling veld onderdelen" wordt er bij het onderdeel dierenvoor (Pet Food) en bij het onderdeel schaal met eten en dienblad (Bowl of Food) wordt er gesproken van een hand waarmee dit op de robot wordt geladen. Hiermee wordt toch de hand van de robot bedoeld, of toch de hand van de mens?
Eigenlijk hoort dit bij vragen, maar ik weet niet hoe dat moet, sorry!

  1. Message by: RoBoBende 10/15/2004 14:52:11 GMT
    met eigen hand binnen de basis denk ik weet niet seker
    nout


    1. Message by: Cyborgs 10/15/2004 14:53:38 GMT
      Hiermee woord de hand van de mens bedoeld.
      Dus niet de robot.


    2. Message by: De Handy's 10/21/2004 08:33:59 GMT
      Wat de Cyborgs zeggen,

      je mag binnen de basis alles veranderen met de hand (menselijke hand) dus je mag gewoon het voer om de robot leggen met je eigen handen.

      Groeten,

      De Handy's


Discussion: Bril By: RoBoBende 10/08/2004 15:38:32 GMT
Moet je um schuive of tille die bril
alfast bedankt arman van de robobende

Discussion: Motoren By: VanKinderenMuseum 12/03/2004 20:51:46 GMT
Hallo,

Wij hebben een GROOT probleem: AL onze motoren draien op een andere snelheid. Dat betekend dat we niet **n robot rechtdoor kunnen laten rijden. Nou vroegen we ons af of anderen dat ook hebben. En vooral: HOE KUNNEN WE DIT OPLOSSEN?!?

Alvast bedankt,
Havkum

Discussion: Adapter By: Hofstad 01/12/2005 11:43:03 GMT
Hoe sluit je een adapter aan op de RCX? Als ik een 9 volt gelijkstroom adapter aansluit op de RCX gebeurt er niks. Moet er nog iets worden ingesteld?

Discussion: Heel veel succes! By: HCO 11/06/2004 21:53:19 GMT
De regio-organisatie West wenst alle deelnemende teams heel veel succes bij de voorbereidingen!

  1. Message by: de duplo's 09/22/2004 16:00:01 GMT
    dank je


    1. Message by: de duplo's 09/22/2004 16:00:06 GMT
      eeej ik wenz jullie allemaal lots of luck


    2. Message by: de duplo's 09/22/2004 16:00:55 GMT
      doei, en veel succes


    3. Message by: Cyborgs 09/24/2004 15:37:08 GMT
      bedankt


    4. Message by: de duplo's 09/24/2004 22:13:47 GMT
      graag gdaan ma wareb jullie winnaar vorig jaar of zo omdat jullie die foto met zoon beker hadde ????


    5. Message by: De_Vijver 09/30/2004 00:26:24 GMT
      Natuurlijk wensen bij van Daltonschool De Vijver ook iedereen veel succes en vooral plezier.
      Tot 6 november!


    6. Message by: CoolLimitVanishers149 10/29/2004 10:41:03 GMT
      Ook van ons veel succes, dan zien we elkaar bij de finale (hopen we...)


    7. Message by: cosmos2 11/06/2004 21:53:19 GMT
      ThnXz jullie ook suc6 gewenst door ons..:) en moge de beste winnen..

      RoCkDuDe van team staat hier boven..:)


Discussion: Mooi voor elkaar! By: HCO 10/06/2004 14:04:27 GMT
Hi team Stanislas, dat hebben jullie mooi voor elkaar zeg! Meteen al met een foto op de site. Ik hoop dat de komende weken net zo voorspoedig gaan. Succes.
HCO

  1. Message by: de duplo's 09/23/2004 09:02:10 GMT
    dit keer gaat et ons luken oor


    1. Message by: Rikkert 10/06/2004 14:04:27 GMT
      Hallo allemaal, ik ben van de website en dus zorg ik ook voor de foto van het team van de week.

      Als jullie zelf ook team van de week willen worden, stuur dan snel een mailtje naar ons (fll@techniekpromotie.nl)


Discussion: Goede start gewenst door de CYBORGS !!! By: Cyborgs 11/06/2004 21:52:01 GMT
'b ' Het Team van Waalsdorp, "de CYBORGS", wenst alle deelnemers van FLL2004 heel veel succes !!!!!
Wie weet gaan wij 6 november wederom met zo'n beker naar huis !!!!
Teamleden, laat je horen in dit Forum !!!!
(Mark)

  1. Message by: Cyborgs 09/21/2004 15:55:28 GMT
    Hierbij een foto van de prijzen van Waalsdorp: FLL2003


    1. Message by: de duplo's 09/22/2004 16:54:33 GMT
      waar slaat dat op we hoeve nie een prijs te zien van vorig jaar of zo :P


      1. Message by: Cyborgs 10/15/2004 14:57:17 GMT
        Dit slaat nergens op dus hou je mond maar Ruben '_'


    2. Message by: 09/23/2004 15:40:39 GMT
      Deleted


    3. Message by: de duplo's 09/23/2004 17:57:31 GMT
      hou op ruben :P srry oor maar dis maf ruben !!!! twee keer dezelfde team die een andere mening laat horen


    4. Message by: cosmos2 11/06/2004 21:52:01 GMT
      Bedankt voor 't succes wensen.. ook jullie succes gewenst.. sulle jullie nodig hebben..;-)

      RoCkDuDe Van Team Cosmos2


Discussion: hoeveel wieltjes?!?!?!?! By: de duplo's 09/29/2004 15:16:51 GMT
He, hoeveel wielen moge we gebruiken in de league?
en kan je nou ook eigen wielen toevoegen of doe je het met wat er in de doos zit?

nieuwsgierig, Montaigne

  1. Message by: omega 09/28/2004 18:01:36 GMT
    als het maar originele wielen van lego zijn. je mag dus ook allerlei onderdelen gebruiken die uit andere legodozen komen.
    alleen de electrische onderdelen, zoals motoren en sensoren zijn beperkt tot het aantal dat bij de doos zit plus een extra motor en extra lichtsensor
    niels van omega


    1. Message by: de duplo's 09/29/2004 15:16:51 GMT
      oke thanx


Discussion: eten By: de duplo's 11/01/2004 16:20:02 GMT
bij het eten serveren moet het eten dan op de tafel geplaatst worden of er naast

  1. Message by: HCO 10/02/2004 14:09:47 GMT
    Hi, het eten moet op de tafel terechtkomen.


    1. Message by: de duplo's 10/04/2004 15:43:21 GMT
      Als het eten op de tafel gezet wordt, mag het dienblad er dan onder blijven staan of niet?


    2. Message by: Cyborgs 10/04/2004 21:11:19 GMT
      Naar mijn idee MOET het dienblad eronder blijven staan!!


    3. Message by: Cyborgs 11/01/2004 16:20:02 GMT
      ja, het dienblad moet SAMEN met het eten op de tafel. in dit geval in het dus het makkelijkst als je het dienblad er ook onder laat staan


Discussion: Winnaar vorig jaar By: cosmos2 10/19/2004 11:04:26 GMT
Vanuit de FLL-organisatie zijn we te weten gekomen dat
het "Vikingteam" van de Montesorischool in Waalsdorp vorig jaar heeft gewonnen. Mijn vraag is of er afbeeldingen van deze robot zijn. (i.v.m. een mars museum-expositie) bedankt.

  1. Message by: Cyborgs 10/03/2004 23:52:00 GMT
    Hi, Cosmos2, ja er zijn wel afbeeldingen van de robot alleen valt er niet echt iets marsachtigs aan te zien. Het was een robot die de missies moest uitvoeren; de lego op de tafel had veel meer weg van mars (vooral het tetrahedron en de marsrover).
    Waalsdorp doet overigens dit jaar weer mee onder de teamnaam "CYBORGS" dus als je er toch meer over wilt weten laat het dan horen!
    Succes met jullie robot!

    CYBORGS


    1. Message by: Cyborgs 10/19/2004 11:04:26 GMT
      cyborgs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Discussion: stoelen By: de duplo's 10/06/2004 13:30:13 GMT
heey lego collega's ik heb een vraag.
bij de missie met de tafel moeten de stoelen aangeschoven worden of hoeven de stoelen alleen in het ovaal staan.
alvast bedankt!!

de duplo's

  1. Message by: HCO 10/02/2004 14:08:24 GMT
    Hi, de stoelen hoeven allen in het ovaal te staan
    succes


    1. Message by: aloysius college 10/05/2004 19:30:28 GMT
      volgens mij krijg je er meer punten voor als ze goed zijn aangeschoven maar dat weet ik niet zeker


    2. Message by: Rikkert 10/06/2004 13:30:13 GMT
      Nee, elke stoel die met 4 poten binnen de ovaal staan levert 10 punten op, omgevallen stoelen niet en als ze gedeeltelijk buiten de ovaal staan ook niet


Discussion: eten dieren By: cosmos2 11/03/2004 22:43:33 GMT
Welk eten moet naar de dieren vervoerd worden?
weet iemand dit?
bedankt

  1. Message by: de duplo's 10/04/2004 20:42:00 GMT
    de 3 zwarte blokjes staat in de missies als goed is


    1. Message by: RoBoBende 10/15/2004 14:48:44 GMT
      gooi de hele site op z'n kop en je vindt het wel


    2. Message by: Gemini College 10/15/2004 16:01:36 GMT
      Welke 3 zwarte blokjes? De ronde blokjes die dezelfde vorm hebben als het eten in de bak of moeten het zwarte vierkante blokjes zijn van 2 bij 2, dus echte lego-steentjes zal ik maar zeggen?


    3. Message by: Cyborgs 10/19/2004 22:26:48 GMT
      Ja de drie ronde zwarte blokjes zijn het voer voor de dieren


    4. Message by: aloysius college 11/03/2004 22:43:33 GMT
      In de bouwinstructies voor de speelmat staat dat de drie zwarte ronde steentjes in de mand van het eten horen. Moet je dan drie andere steentjes nemen? En moet je die zelf meenemen naar de wedstrijden?
      groetjes van het AC team


Discussion: afmetingen tafel By: cosmos2 10/23/2004 23:20:31 GMT
hallo,

Op de website staat dat de dikte v/d rand 5 cm moet zijn, maar dat is, als je 2 tafels tegen elkaar schuift, toch veel te dik voor de basket? Hoe zit dat?
Ook vragen we ons af of de dikte van het tafelblad een specifieke waarde moet hebben. Hoe zit dat?

Bedankt

  1. Message by: RoBoBende 10/06/2004 11:19:55 GMT
    tsja, ik vroeg me precies hetzelfde af!
    Komt de basket dan soms in het midden? (scheelt wel mooi 2,5 cm dus!)
    De dikte van het tafelblad doet er niet veel toe, de balken aan de onderkant zijn volgens mij alleen voor de stijfheid en tegen doorzakken.

    Maar ook wij willen graag een "officiele" reactie hierop!

    Robobende!


    1. Message by: Rikkert 10/06/2004 13:37:20 GMT
      de dikte van de rand is inderdaad 5 cm, met twee tafels tegen elkaar wordt een dubbele rand dus 10 cm, daaroverheen wordt de basket geplaatst.

      Het tafelblad heeft geen bepaalde dikte, als het maar een stevig en glad (recht) oppervlak heeft.

      De plaatsing van de onderdelen is op de missiepagina wel aardig te zien:
      http://www.firstlegoleague.org/default.aspx?pid=13860


    2. Message by: HCO 10/23/2004 23:20:31 GMT
      Hi Allemaal. Dit is een fout! Inderdaad moet het slechts 4 cm zijn en dus geen 5. Wij hebben 12 tafels die we moeten laten aanpassen! Rikkert van de centrale organisatie zou dit dus moeten wijzigen. Ik zou zeggen bel de st. TechniekPromotie even als je nog twijfelt.


Discussion: trap By: cosmos2 10/07/2004 16:14:14 GMT
hoi,

Als de robot op de bovenste trede van de trap staat, en de grond niet meer aanraakt, (en dus alle punten krijgt), mag deze dan met de hand weer terug worden gezet naar de basis?

bedankt...

  1. Message by: de duplo's 10/07/2004 14:48:52 GMT
    volgens mij niet ik denk dat je stil moet staan voor iets van een seconde of 2 en dan er gewoon van afrijd.
    anders oet je ff de beheer mailen :)


    1. Message by: RoBoBende 10/07/2004 16:14:14 GMT
      nee je moet er op blijven staan tot de tijd om is dus het is handig om de trap als laatste te doen


Discussion: trap By: cosmos2 11/01/2004 16:17:12 GMT
hoi,

Als de robot op de bovenste trede van de trap staat, en de grond niet meer aanraakt, (en dus alle punten krijgt), mag deze dan met de hand weer terug worden gezet naar de basis?

bedankt...

  1. Message by: HCO 10/30/2004 23:55:00 GMT
    Hi, dat zou niet handig zijn. De punten worden geteld als de tijd om is. Als de robot dan op de trap staat krijge je punten anders niet. Dat geld dus voor alle onderdelen in het veld. Als je eerst de cd op het hoesje hebt en je rijdt het vervolgens weer eraf dan heb je dus pech.


    1. Message by: Cyborgs 11/01/2004 16:17:12 GMT
      het is dus inderdaad handig te eindigen met die missie en de robot er op te laten staan, anders krijgt je punten niet


Discussion: Bril By: RoBoBende 11/01/2004 16:16:11 GMT
moet je schuive of tille die bril
alfast bedankt arman robobende

  1. Message by: aloysius college 10/26/2004 21:59:16 GMT
    Volgens mij mag het allebei, als hij maar in de basis terecht komt.
    succes, AC team


    1. Message by: Cyborgs 11/01/2004 16:16:11 GMT
      het maakt inderdaad niet uit hoe je de bril in de basis brengt. als hij er maar komt.

      of je dan tilt, schuift, trekt, vliegt :) wat dan ook. als hij maar in de basis komt


Discussion: wedstrijd tafel By: VanKinderenMuseum 10/13/2004 17:50:22 GMT
Wij zijn het team van Het Van Kinderen Museum.

Wij hadden een vraag over het meenemen van de wedstrijd tafel naar de FLL. Want moet dat nou.
Vriendelijke groet...

Het Van Kinderen Museum

  1. Message by: Cyborgs 10/13/2004 17:50:22 GMT
    Nee, je hoeft de tafel niet mee te nemen (althans niet in regio West) De tafel is voor jullie zelf handig om goed te kunnen oefenen.


Discussion: dienblad. By: Stanislas 11/01/2004 16:15:19 GMT
Hoi,
even een vraag over het dienblad,
moet dit naast de tafel of op de tafel komen te staan?

Gr het stanislas team.

  1. Message by: RoBoBende 10/15/2004 14:40:40 GMT
    volgens mij er op
    nout robobende


    1. Message by: Cyborgs 11/01/2004 16:15:19 GMT
      het dienblad moet samen met de bak met eten OP de tafel staan


Discussion: Hoe kan ik een goede grijparm maken. By: Gemini College 11/06/2004 21:47:50 GMT
mijn grijp arm breekt steeds af en ik heb 2 motortjes nodig om het te laten werken. Kan iemand mij helpen!!!

  1. Message by: HCO 10/14/2004 23:28:18 GMT
    Hi,

    Ik heb geen oplossing maar zoek eens bij legomodellen op internet om ideeen te krijgen. Je kunt ook eens in het Engels posten bij de andere landen....

    Succes


    1. Message by: Cyborgs 10/19/2004 11:05:24 GMT
      succes


      1. Message by: cosmos2 11/06/2004 21:47:50 GMT
        Je kunt ook via radartjes sorgen dat er een dubbele aandrijving komt op maar 1 motor..:) LtRz.. CoSmoS2


Discussion: Trap By: VanKinderenMuseum 11/01/2004 16:14:26 GMT
Weet iemand of je op de trap moet blijven staan nadat je die missie hebt gedaan.

Het Van Kinderen Museum

  1. Message by: Risbotics12 10/18/2004 22:04:33 GMT
    Ja, de punten tellen alleen maar als de robot op het einde van de tijs op de trap staat.


    1. Message by: Cyborgs 11/01/2004 16:14:26 GMT
      ja, de robot moet er eindigen.
      dus als je de trap doet moet je het als laatste doen. je krijgt de punten alleen als de robot daar blijft staat


Discussion: dieren eten geven By: aloysius college 11/01/2004 13:49:15 GMT
Weet iemand soms of de drie zwarte brokken voor de dieren tegelijk of per stuk vervoerd moeten worden?
En hoe kunnen de dieren van hun plek komen als ze volgens de speelmat vast gemaakt zijn?
groetjes van het AC team

  1. Message by: Cyborgs 10/27/2004 16:22:43 GMT
    De blokjes moeten(mogen) tegelijk afgeleverd worden en de dieren kunnen bewegen omdat deze NIET vastgeplakt dienen te zitten.

    Succes verder (van het cyborgs team, bijna jullie buren (waalsdorpschool))


    1. Message by: aloysius college 10/28/2004 20:05:36 GMT
      Volgens deze website moeten de dieren wel vastgeplakt zijn, zie opstelling veldonderdelen. Kan iemand hier duidelijkheid over geven?
      groetjes van het AC team


    2. Message by: HCO 10/29/2004 21:49:32 GMT
      De dieren zullen in den haag vastgeplakt zitten. Maar het lijkt me dat als je er met je kar overheen rijdt ze toch losgaan.


    3. Message by: Veurs1 11/01/2004 13:49:15 GMT
      Wij hebben een karretje gebouwd die over de dieren ging en ze bleven vastzitten


Discussion: ballen in de basis By: aloysius college 10/29/2004 21:47:55 GMT
Moeten de ballen in de basis op de plek staan die op de foto is aangegeven of mogen ze ook op een andere plek in de basis staan?
groetjes van het AC team

  1. Message by: Cyborgs 10/27/2004 16:24:09 GMT
    De ballen mogen overal liggen als ze maar binnen de basislijnen blijven!!!


    1. Message by: HCO 10/29/2004 21:47:55 GMT
      Alle materialen mag je in de basis verplaatsen en zo leggen als je zelf wilt


Discussion: hek By: aloysius college 10/29/2004 21:47:10 GMT
Naar welke kant moet het hek open?
groetjes van het AC team

  1. Message by: RoBoBende 10/29/2004 15:07:12 GMT
    weet ik ook nie
    kijk in de bouw instructies

    da groete robobende


    1. Message by: HCO 10/29/2004 21:47:10 GMT
      OP de mat staat geschreven HINGE tussen de vierkantjes voor de poten van het hek. HINGE = scharnier dus aan die kant moet het scharnier. Het hek draait dan van de dieren weg richting achterkant vd tafel.


Discussion: bril in de basis By: aloysius college 11/01/2004 16:13:14 GMT
Als de robot de bril binnen de basis heeft gebracht en de bril zit nog op de robot, mag deze er dan met de hand vanaf gehaald worden of moet de robot deze in de basis neerleggen? En moet de bril dan de hele wedstrijd daar blijven liggen of mag hij in een hoekje gelegd worden met de hand?
groetjes van het AC team

  1. Message by: Cyborgs 11/01/2004 16:13:14 GMT
    zo gauw de robot binnen de basis is, mag je hem aanraken. je mag dan dus oom de bril van de robot afhalen.
    daarna moet hij in de basis blijven liggen. hij mag dus niet van de tafel af of weer terug in het veld!


Discussion: help!!! By: omega 11/04/2004 11:52:13 GMT
wij zijn de bouwtekening van de bril kwijt, en ook de CDrom, zou iemand deze bouwtekening aan ons kunnen mailen?
edeneef@scz.nl
bedankt alvast

  1. Message by: De Handy's 11/01/2004 14:47:33 GMT
    we zenden het wel naar jullie toe als het niet te groot is

    Groeten
    De Handy's
    Daniel Giessenburg


    1. Message by: magiccreators1120 11/02/2004 15:26:00 GMT
      Do you speak German?


      1. Message by: omega 11/04/2004 11:52:13 GMT
        yes, but we already found it, thanks


    2. Message by: omega 11/04/2004 11:51:15 GMT
      gelukkig is de cdrom eindelijk weer boven water gekomen, maar toch bedankt


Discussion: stoel weg laten halen? By: Cyborgs 11/01/2004 16:10:25 GMT
mag je de stoel weg laten halen als je naar de poort wil of de bushalte.
we hebben gelezen dat het mag als het de puntentelling niet direct be*nvloed, is dat het geval als we niet de stoelen missie doen maar de poort/bushalte?

Discussion: Onderzoeksvraag By: Gemini College 11/02/2004 15:10:08 GMT
Hallo allemaal! Hopelijk gaat alles goed en zijn de teams uit de regio Zuid-Holland klaar voor zaterdag! Alvast succes. Ik heb een vraagje over de onderzoeksvraag. Dit houdt een presentatie in over het onderwerp "No Limits", maar hiernaast wordt er gevraagd over een lied of een ander soort creatieve input. Weet iemand hier meer van? Gaat dit tegelijkertijd of is dat weer iets anders of hoe zit dat! Alvast bedankt!

Discussion: Onderzoeksvraag By: Gemini College 11/02/2004 15:10:14 GMT
Hallo allemaal! Hopelijk gaat alles goed en zijn de teams uit de regio Zuid-Holland klaar voor zaterdag! Alvast succes. Ik heb een vraagje over de onderzoeksvraag. Dit houdt een presentatie in over het onderwerp "No Limits", maar hiernaast wordt er gevraagd over een lied of een ander soort creatieve input. Weet iemand hier meer van? Gaat dit tegelijkertijd of is dat weer iets anders of hoe zit dat! Alvast bedankt!

Discussion: eten dieren By: Gemini College 11/04/2004 14:45:21 GMT
bij de missie dieren eten geven: mag je die drie zwarte ronde blokjes aan elkaar klikken of moeten die los? anders rollen ze weg als ze vallen.
groetjes gemini college

  1. Message by: Cyborgs 11/04/2004 14:44:47 GMT
    ze moeten los volgens mij


    1. Message by: Cyborgs 11/04/2004 14:45:06 GMT
      groeten cyorgs!!!!!!!!!!!


    2. Message by: Cyborgs 11/04/2004 14:45:21 GMT
      ze moeten los volgens mij


Discussion: EINDHOVEN By: de duplo's 02/13/2005 23:40:40 GMT
wij gaan naar eindhoven we zien jullie daar ;)

  1. Message by: RoBoBende 11/07/2004 14:53:02 GMT
    Hallo Duplo's

    Gefeliciteerd!
    Ook alle andere teams uit de regiofinale West, die door zijn naar de landelijke finale in Eindhoven trouwens gefeliciteerd.
    De Robobende wil graag alvast het HCO en alle vrijwilligers en sponsors heel hartelijk danken voor de geweldige dag.

    RoBoBende was here!


    1. Message by: Cyborgs 11/07/2004 20:36:31 GMT
      Wij willen ons zeer graag aansluiten bij de robobende en alle mensen die er zo'n onvergetelijke dag van hebben gemaakt danken voor alles!!!

      CYBORGS


    2. Message by: de duplo's 11/08/2004 21:08:22 GMT
      Zelf zeg ik dat dit de gaafste dag van het jaar was
      heb er geen moment spijt van dat ik mee heb gedaan
      alle anderen nogmaals veel suc6 in de regio finales


    3. Message by: HCO 11/09/2004 09:03:02 GMT
      Heeeee, da's leuk om te horen zeg. Veel succes met de voorbereidingen en tot ziens in Eindhoven!

      Leon


    4. Message by: Cyborgs 12/17/2004 15:46:40 GMT
      bedankt leon we zien je daar


    5. Message by: RobotRulers776 02/13/2005 23:39:54 GMT
      Who is going to the Internationals in Atlanta, Georgia.
      Please post a message in the American Forum. We were just curious.

      L3 Robot Rulers


    6. Message by: RobotRulers776 02/13/2005 23:40:40 GMT
      PS Please write a response in English.
      Thanks



Folder: - JAPAN - [for Japanese members] 02/15/2005 00:53:48 GMT
Please post all discussions that concerns Japan in this folder.


Folder: asgdr 10/09/2004 03:56:46 GMT



Folder: Internationals in Georgia [US] 02/15/2005 00:53:48 GMT
Who are the teams going to the Internationals in Atlanta, Georgia? We are the L3 Robot Rulers from Western New York and would like to know who is going. Please post your response in the United States folder under
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and then under folder
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Thanks
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Folder: Internationals in Georgia [US] 02/15/2005 00:53:19 GMT
Who are the teams going to the Internationals in Atlanta, Georgia? We are the L3 Robot Rulers from Western New York and would like to know who is going. Please post your response in the United States folder under
Miscellaneous
and then under folder
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Discussion: slt By: tezenas 10/01/2004 10:32:07 GMT
sa va gambler


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Folder: Internationals in Georgia [US] 02/23/2005 00:46:26 GMT
Who are the teams going to the Internationals in Atlanta, Georgia? We are the L3 Robot Rulers from Western New York and would like to know who is going. Please post your response in the United States folder under
Miscellaneous
and then under folder
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Thanks
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Discussion: Internationals en Atlanta, Georgia By: RobotRulers776 02/23/2005 00:46:26 GMT
*Qui*nes son los equipos que van al Internationals en Atlanta, Georgia? Somos los reglas de la robusteza L3 de York nueva occidental y quisi*ramos saber qui*n va. Fije por favor su respuesta en la carpeta de Estados Unidos debajo de miscel*neo y entonces bajo festival del mundo de la carpeta 1 en Atlanta, Georgia. Marca De las Reglas De la Robusteza De las Gracias L3


Folder: Miscelaneo 11/18/2004 23:35:13 GMT



Folder: Misiones 11/23/2004 00:19:24 GMT
Este folder es pra que aporten sus ideas para misiones dificileso todas

Discussion: Comida de los animales By: Asimov6303 11/23/2004 00:19:24 GMT
OK, para la comida deben llevarla a lpos anomales, por lo tanto deben abrir la puerta, simplemente hagan un vil gancho y que jkale la puerta, *mas ideas?, hagan una discusion de puertas o pongan mas aqui, ustedes hagan las discusiones con los titulos de las misiones porfavor, sigan en contacto conmigo, les puedo ser util, o una pesadilla


Folder: Missiones 11/18/2004 23:34:28 GMT



Folder: Obstaculos 11/18/2004 23:33:59 GMT



Folder: Robot 11/18/2004 23:36:08 GMT



Folder: Saludos 11/18/2004 23:35:41 GMT


Discussion: Bienvenidos a FLL 2004 en Mexico! By: Sciencefreaks6301 10/25/2004 20:48:30 GMT
Bienvenidos a la temporada 2004 de FLL en Mexico. Esperamos ver a todos los equipos muy pronto en l*nea, colaborando con equipos de Mexico y de otras partes del mundo.

Cualquier duda estamos a sus *rdenes en www.edcmexico.org o al email bgomez@edcmexico.org.

Suerte!

  1. Message by: 10/08/2004 23:50:50 GMT
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    1. Message by: Asimov6303 10/20/2004 23:28:59 GMT
      hola me pueden ayudar con la programacion del reto de las sillas con sensor de rotacion


      1. Message by: hayas6305 10/25/2004 20:48:30 GMT
        Hola , soy Lula una de los coaches de hayas6305 de veracruz usamos robolab para programar el sensor de rotaci*n si te sirve escribeme para ayudarte mas. Recuerda que el sensor de rotaci*n usa 16/16 PARA UNA VUELTA.


Discussion: Bienvenidos a FLL 2004 en Mexico! By: Sciencefreaks6301 10/28/2004 02:24:36 GMT
Bienvenidos a la temporada 2004 de FLL en Mexico. Esperamos ver a todos los equipos muy pronto en l*nea, colaborando con equipos de Mexico y de otras partes del mundo.

Cualquier duda estamos a sus *rdenes en www.edcmexico.org o al email bgomez@edcmexico.org.

Suerte!

  1. Message by: hayas6305 09/26/2004 06:54:24 GMT
    Hola Somos es Colegio Las Hayas de Xalapa Ver, ya empezaremos el miercoles 29 de septiembre , les mandamos un saludo.


    1. Message by: hayas6305 10/28/2004 02:24:36 GMT
      hola soy Pedro Bordes.Soy del colegio las hayas Xalapa,Ver
      queria preguntar lo siguiente:*Tambi*n cuenta el tiempo en el que se quitan las piezas?


Discussion: discuter By: tezenas 09/17/2004 11:28:09 GMT


Discussion: Dimensiones del tapete By: asfcyborgs6306 11/06/2004 19:07:43 GMT
Saludos a todos los equipos de FLL de M*xico.
*Alguien ya modific* las dimensiones de su tapete? Estamos a punto de hacerlo y quisiera saber si el borde inferior mencionado en los FAQ*s se refiere al de la base solamente o a todo incluyendo donde se ponen las senalamientos de rutas. Se agradecen sus comentarios. Para cualquier cosa en que podamos ayudar, aqui estamos.
May the RCX be with you,
ASF CYBORGS Colegio Americano DF

  1. Message by: BP Robotics 11/06/2004 19:07:43 GMT
    el tapete preferentemente no debe ser recortado


Discussion: Comida para Mascotas By: asfcyborgs6306 10/13/2004 18:16:49 GMT
Queria preguntar si la comida para las mascotas tiene que estar adentro de la charola o si puede estar afuera pero sigue estando adentro del base. Como que tenemos que darle comida a los mascotas y a la gente en la mesa...si podriamos hacer esto. Como que no queremos llevar la comida de los mascotas a la gente. Gracias por su atencion.

asfcyborgs6306

  1. Message by: Mexico Moderator 10/13/2004 18:16:49 GMT
    A continuaci*n se reproduce lo que dice al respecto la secci*n de "Montaje del Campo de Juego" que puedes consultar
    aqu*


    Alimento para Mascota

    Las 3 piezas negras de comida ser*n usadas como alimento de mascotas. Deben estar separadas del resto de la comida y ser mantenidas en la Base (no van asegurados al tapete), en dondequiera que el equipo desee guardarlas antes de cargarlas manualmente al robot para una misi*n.


    Es decir, el alimento para humanos y para mascotas est*n en la Base pero separadas. El alimento para personas se guarda en su taz*n.



Discussion: el perro y el gato By: asfcyborgs6306 11/23/2004 00:09:30 GMT
para darle la comida al los animalitos que tenemos que hacer sacar las tres piezas de la charola en donde esta la comida, van a estar en otra parte o tenemos que llevar toda la charola

  1. Message by: 10/13/2004 18:23:47 GMT
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    1. Message by: Mexico Moderator 10/13/2004 18:28:46 GMT
      La comida para mascota se mantiene en la Base, separada de la comida para personas que se mantiene en su taz*n. Para la comida de mascotas no hay ning*n taz*n.
      Para ver una respuesta a una pregunta parecida a esta haz click aqu*.


    2. Message by: Asimov6303 11/23/2004 00:09:30 GMT
      HOLA PARA LA COMIDA DE LOS PERROS LAS TRES PIEZAS VAN JUNTAS O SEPARADAS


Discussion: Escaleras By: asfcyborgs6306 10/13/2004 18:36:10 GMT
Queria preguntar si las escaleras es la ultima cosa que tenemos que hacer. Como que dice que ahi nos quedamos hasta que el partido termine...pero como que o esta muy claro queria saber si esa era la ultima. Muchas gracias...

asfcyborgs6306

  1. Message by: Mexico Moderator 10/13/2004 18:36:10 GMT
    Si. La misi*n de las escaleras es la que debes hacer al final.

    Recuerda que el *rbitro se fija en c*mo quedaron las cosas al final del partido. Si ve que el robot est* arriba de las escaleras al final del partido entonces te da puntos.
    Por el contrario, si despu*s de subir las escaleras el robot se baja y contin*a haciendo otras cosas entonces no te dar* puntos por esta misi*n.


Discussion: Tama*o del robot By: JJISSOCA10 11/07/2004 22:16:01 GMT
Una pregunta. * De que tama*o tiene que ser el robot?.

  1. Message by: JJISSOCA10 10/16/2004 23:32:34 GMT
    Hola a todos. Soy el coach del equipo JJISSOCA. Somos del Distrito Federal y venga mucho animo en la competencia !!!!!!!! cualquier pregunta en la que crean les puedo ayudar no duden en hacerla.


    1. Message by: asfcyborgs6306 10/19/2004 23:12:41 GMT
      Bueno si tienen que pasar por abajo de la puerta entonces el robot tiene que caber. Para saber ve y lee la respuesta de una duscussion llamada Puertas... Pero ademas de esop puede ser de qualquier tamano. Mucha Suerte!


    2. Message by: BP Robotics 11/06/2004 19:15:55 GMT
      El tama*o del robot tiene que caber en un cubo imaginario de 40cm x 40cm x 40cm segun dice el reglamento, chequenlo si gustan.

      Vaquita la del Baden


    3. Message by: TERMAPOLIS 11/07/2004 22:16:01 GMT
      El limite del tama*o del robot sera el ancho y largo de la puerta o de lo contrario no podra entrar a ella ni con las macotas, por otro lado si es muy grande no podria subir adecuadamente la escaleras.

      Saludos


Discussion: Puertas... By: asfcyborgs6306 11/06/2004 19:18:50 GMT
Para abrir la puerta tenemos que afuerzas pasar por abajo de ello...o podemos abrirlo con una mano sin pasar por abajo? POr que si si, entonces el robot tiene que caber por la puerta. Nomas para las personas que quieren saber hacerca del tamano de la puerta...
Gracias...
asfcyborgs6306

  1. Message by: hayas6305 10/30/2004 23:28:48 GMT
    *cual es el orden de las misiones?


    1. Message by: BP Robotics 11/06/2004 19:18:50 GMT
      El orden de las misiones es independiente, es decir, puedes realizar cualquier mision en el orden que quieras, a excepcion de las escaleras rojas que tendra que ser con la que se termina.

      Vaquita la del Baden


Discussion: Comida Para Personas By: asfcyborgs6306 11/02/2004 23:34:08 GMT
Cuando El robot tiene que darle comida a las personas (no a las mascotas) tiene que llevarse soalmente el platon o tambien la charola? Si solamente usamos el plato nos quitan puntos?
Gracias...
asfcyborgs6306

  1. Message by: hayas6305 11/02/2004 23:34:08 GMT
    se puede cambar al rcx de un vehiculo a otro


Discussion: Urgente! By: asfcyborgs6306 11/07/2004 16:37:25 GMT
hola...solamente quieria saber si afuerzas se tiene que llevar la charola para la comida de los humanos. o si podemos llevar el plato sin la charola. gracias!

asfcyborgs6306

  1. Message by: MIT6363 11/07/2004 16:37:25 GMT
    En las reglas de las misiones estipula el plato con la comida.


Discussion: orden de las misiones By: hayas6305 11/18/2004 23:22:31 GMT
Hola queremos saber en que orden seran las misiones o si pueden ser en cualquier orden.

  1. Message by: asfcyborgs6306 11/18/2004 23:22:31 GMT
    pueden ser en cualquier orden...pero cuidando que las escaleras deben de ser hastal final..
    asfcyborgs6306


Discussion: orden de las misiones By: hayas6305 11/07/2004 16:38:36 GMT
Hola queremos saber en que orden seran las misiones o si pueden ser en cualquier orden.

  1. Message by: MIT6363 11/07/2004 16:38:36 GMT
    En cualquier orden. La *nica misi*n condicionada es la de subir las escaleras que debe ser la *ltima.
    Saludos,
    B*rbara


Discussion: hola By: hayas6305 11/06/2004 19:25:01 GMT
en el de la comida de los perros
*se van a quitar las sillas despues del reto?

  1. Message by: BP Robotics 11/06/2004 19:25:01 GMT
    No, no se mueve nada del tapete a no ser que se le pida al Arbitro y aplicando su criterio se pueda o no quitar las sillas. Que en realidad no se puede.

    Vaquita la del Baden


Discussion: preguntas By: hayas6305 11/07/2004 16:44:50 GMT
*se puede cambiar de llantas para cada mision?

*cual es el orden especifico de las misiones, hay alguna que debe realizarse al principio, una al final?

*se pude cambiar el RCX de un vehiculo a otro?

  1. Message by: MIT6363 11/07/2004 16:44:50 GMT
    -si puedes cambiar de llantas para cada misi*n.
    -ningun orden, excepto las escaleras que deber* ser la *ltima misi*n realizada
    -puedes cambiar el RCX de un veh*culo a otro siempre que cumplas con las reglas estipuladas en cuanto a cantidad de sensores y motores, y tama*o del robot.
    saludos,
    B*rbara


Discussion: fin de misiones By: TERMAPOLIS 11/08/2004 21:49:08 GMT
me gustaria saber si despues de cada mision sera necesario regresar a la base o si es posible realizar varias a la vez

  1. Message by: MIT6363 11/08/2004 21:49:08 GMT
    Es posible realizar varias misiones a la vez. Recuerden que la *nica misi*n que est* condicionada, es la de las escaleras que deber*n realizar al final.
    Saludos,
    B*rbara


Discussion: obstaculo entre escaleras y puerta By: hayas6305 11/18/2004 23:24:56 GMT
*Que hacemos con el obstaculo que esta entre las escaleras y puerta? *Qu* funci*n tiene?

  1. Message by: TERMAPOLIS 11/09/2004 16:04:02 GMT
    El unico objeto es que no usemos esa via para ingresar a la parte de donde se encuentran las mascotas, es dexcir sera necesrio entrar por la puerta.


    1. Message by: asfcyborgs6306 11/18/2004 23:24:56 GMT
      pues es para que tu puedas encontrar otra manera de entrar por donde estan los mascotas...el robot obviamente no puede pasar eso
      Hannah


Discussion: varios robots By: TERMAPOLIS 11/21/2004 02:39:20 GMT
es posible llevar mas de un robot para usar un robot para ciertas misiones y otro para cubrir las otras (claro respetando que cada uno de ellos respeten las condiciones tablecidas del numero de motores, sensores, tama*o, etc).

  1. Message by: MIT6363 11/21/2004 02:39:20 GMT
    CHEQUEN BIEN LAS REGLAS. SE ESPECIFICA UN SOLO ROBOT CON LOS MATERIALES LISTADOS.


Discussion: tiempo de pruebas By: TERMAPOLIS 11/12/2004 04:46:38 GMT
Solo una peque*a duda, segun parece tenemos 2 1/2 minutos en cada ronda para acumular el maximo numero de puntos? estoy en lo correcto o el tiempo de las pruebas es diferente?

  1. Message by: BP Robotics 11/12/2004 04:46:38 GMT
    Si, estas en lo correcto, son 2 y medio minutos para todas las pruebas.
    BP Robotics
    Be Prepared
    Vaquita la del Baden


Discussion: pelotas By: hayas6305 11/11/2004 23:42:26 GMT
si la pelota cae en la zona blanca *se quita por si se puede meter otra o solo se pone la pelota en la zona blanca una vez?

  1. Message by: asfcyborgs6306 11/11/2004 23:42:26 GMT
    no..nosortos hablamos a las personas de las reglas y dicen que ya que una pelota cae adentro de la area balnca ya no lo quitan. porque luego para que solamente un equipo pueda ganar los 50 puntos extras...\

    asfcyborgs 6306


Discussion: pelotas By: hayas6305 11/15/2004 18:48:36 GMT
si la pelota cae en la zona blanca *se quita por si se puede meter otra o solo se pone la pelota en la zona blanca una vez?

  1. Message by: TERMAPOLIS 11/11/2004 05:30:13 GMT
    al momento de que una pelota es metida en la zona blanca se solicita al juez que la retire por si se desea meter otra, pero desde mi punto de vista esto dejaria de hacer otras pruebas (misiones) por el tiempo tan corto de 2 1/2 minutos.


    1. Message by: hayas6305 11/15/2004 18:48:36 GMT
      Hola somos de las Hayas ,*El robot de las pelotas debe tomar la pelota de la base o tu se la pones en la mano robotica ?


Discussion: charola de comida By: hayas6305 11/15/2004 20:39:00 GMT
Una pregunta la charola de comida para ir a la mesa el robot lo recoge de las base y luego la pone ? *Se le puede colocar la charola al robot en la base?

  1. Message by: TERMAPOLIS 11/15/2004 20:39:00 GMT
    Me imagino que la prueba sera que el robot tome la comida y la lleve a la mesa, pero de todos modos considero que es buena y oportuna tu pregunta y con la regla de que en la base podemos meter mano (desde este punto de vista podria ser afirmativa tu pregunta).


Discussion: inicio/fin By: hayas6305 11/16/2004 04:58:35 GMT
lo vehiculos tienen que regresar a la base a la hora de terminar una mmision, si al hacerlo se mueven algunos objetos *se penaliza quitandonos puntos?

  1. Message by: TERMAPOLIS 11/16/2004 04:58:35 GMT
    despues de realizar una mision debe conservarse cada parte completada, pues los jueces contaran los puntos de cada mision hasta el termino del tiempo que es de 2 1/2 minutos, es decir si realizaron con exito la mision de poner las sillas pero al tratar de hacer otra mision mueve la silla y la saca del tapete entonces no contara.


Discussion: HOLA! By: asfcyborgs6306 11/20/2004 20:33:32 GMT
Solamente queria decir hola a todos los equipos y que muchisima suerte a todos. Ojala que su robot y presentacion les salga increible! Nos vemos el 27 de Noviembre para poder conocernos todos!

asfcyborgs6306

  1. Message by: TERMAPOLIS 11/20/2004 05:49:53 GMT
    gracias y estoy seguro que sera una gran experiencia para todos y principalmente para los ni*os. Nosotros somos de Aguascalientes y todo el equipo esta muy animado para la competencia y sera una gran experiencia para todos.

    Saludos a todos.


    1. Message by: hayas6305 11/20/2004 20:33:32 GMT
      Gracias desde Xalapa nos alegra saber que nos conoceremos y que seremos una nueva comunidad.

      Feliz viaje a los de fuera


Discussion: Ayuda para retos, mio o suyo By: Asimov6303 11/26/2004 17:58:40 GMT
OK, si alguien quisiera compartir sus ideas sobre los retos mas ca*ones, porfa contactenme,ayuda con la resistencia de las llantas, preguntenme a mi, o si me dan alguna idea para finalizar un reto, diganmela y yo desarrollo los mecanismos, solo AYUDA, todo lo que pido, mandenme un mail al nenoskita90@hotmail.com

  1. Message by: MIT6363 11/21/2004 02:42:34 GMT
    UN TIP CON EL SENSOR DE ROTACION. DEL LADO DONDE LO COLOQUEN SIEMPRE HABRA UN POCO DE FRICCION QUE HARA QUE TIENDA A IRSE HACIA ESE LADO UN POCO. DEBEN COMPENSAR CON UN POCO MAS DE POTENCIA EN EL OTRO MOTOR.
    SUERTE!


    1. Message by: MIT6363 11/21/2004 02:44:45 GMT
      QUE MISIONES LES FALTAN. A NOSOTROS NOS FALTA LA CANASTA, AUNQUE LAS DEMAS MISIONES NO SIEMPRE SALEN COMPLETAMENTE BIEN.
      EL ROLLO DE LAS PILAS ES UN PROBLEMA. ESTAMOS USANDO PILAS RECARGABLES.


      1. Message by: Asimov6303 11/23/2004 00:04:19 GMT
        Yo les recomendaria que hicieran una elevacion que sostenga las bolas y luego con un motor las suelte


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Discussion: Gente en esta cosa de mexico By: Asimov6303 11/21/2004 02:37:54 GMT
OK, como todos saben nosotros no somos los un9cos, alguien que sepa cuantas escuelas y equipos haya, avisenme

  1. Message by: MIT6363 11/21/2004 02:37:54 GMT
    HOLA EQUIPO ASIMOV:
    ESTE A*O HAY 22 EQUIPOS, DE LAS ESCUELAS AMERICAN SCHOOL, CEDROS, EDRON, MIGUEL ANGEL, BADEN POWELL, UVM, FRANCO INGLES, MARIA MONTESSORI, LICEO JAPONES, ESC.PUBLICA GRAL ANAYA, ESC. PUBLICA JARDIN BALBUENA, ESC. PUBLICA ZTAPALAPA, LAS HAYAS DE VERACRUZ, LICEO DE MONTERREY - NUEVO LEON, TERMAPOLIS DE AGUASCALIENTES, ESC. PUBLICA EMILIANO ZAPATA DE SONORA. ADEMAS HAY EQUIPOS INDEPENDIENTES NO AFILIADOS A NINGUNA ESCUELA EN PARTICULAR.

    EN TOTAL ESPERAMOS 220 CHIC@S EN EL EVENTO.

    AL DIA DE AYER TENIAMOS 39 EQUIPOS QUE YA NO ALCANZARON LUGAR PARA EL TORNEO Y YA SE INSCRIBIERON A LA LISTA DE ESPERA PARA EL 2005.

    MISS TERE CARRERA YA NOS PLATIC* QUE VAN MUY BIEN Y ESTAMOS SEGUROS DE QUE HAR*N UN EXCELENTE PAPEL EN EL TORNEO.

    DIVIERTANSE Y LOS VEMOS EL 27.

    SALUDOS,

    BARBARA GOMEZ DE NAVARRO


Discussion: Ya es ma*ana!!!! By: BP Robotics 11/27/2004 00:46:15 GMT
Muy buena suerte a todos los equipos que concursaran ma*ana, tal vez esta competencia va a estar muy re*ida, que todos trabajamos,,, y dimos nuestro esfuerzo hasta el final.
Esta discusion es para que den sus comentarios antes y despues del concurso.

Discussion: Pilhas recarreg*veis By: imaculada 03/05/2005 13:44:43 GMT
Alguem sabe como carregar pilhas recarreg*veis sem tir*-las do robo?


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Discussion: Flytte cd By: blindfolded 10/28/2004 17:59:52 GMT
Hva syne dere vi skal bruke p* * flytte cd? vi hadde tenkt noe med puter s*nn at vi ikke skader cd p* noen m*te... eller synes dere vi skal bruke stenger som vi legger inn under cd og flytter den?

  1. Message by: Robocanes942 10/01/2004 18:50:10 GMT
    English?


    1. Message by: tnt685293 10/06/2004 18:15:24 GMT
      Det skal ikke v*re viktig om CD'en blir skadet eller ikke, s* lenge den ikke brekker.

      Jeg vil ikke avsl*re hvordan vi velger * gj*re dette, men samle hele laget deres, og tenk dere n*ye om, s* kommer dere sikkert fram til en genial l*sning...

      Robocanes: He's norwegian, and I think this is a norwegian forum... Dont know for sure though.

      [Fredrik]


    2. Message by: kruttsterk lego 10/15/2004 18:49:07 GMT
      Det er ikke noe vits i * v*re forsiktig med CDen s* bruk stenger hvis dere synes det er enklest!


    3. Message by: Space Marines685293 10/28/2004 17:53:09 GMT
      jepp helt enig dere bruker vell en tomm cd?
      vis ikke s* kj*p en!!!


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Discussion: Hvem vinner i *R? By: kruttsterk lego 10/29/2004 15:35:13 GMT
Hvem vinner i *r?
Og hvor mange poeng kommer de til * f*?

  1. Message by: engebratenteknoteam 10/25/2004 18:18:03 GMT
    Engebr*ten Teknoteam vinner!!!!!!!!!

    Mer enn full pott!!!


    1. Message by: kruttsterk lego 10/27/2004 18:05:45 GMT
      Dere er ikke de eneste som satser p* * f* over 400 poeng!!!
      Det gj*r ogs* vi i Kruttsterk LEGO!!!


    2. Message by: Space Marines685293 10/28/2004 17:49:12 GMT
      nhj

      hyuyugvmokpygjupyvr
      tj
      fuhy
      idfhuidf
      hyhuidgndu
      cdgtei
      hduci
      rydui
      uf
      igxdhutridut
      ridh
      yfduit
      rueidrhudi
      xg fudi
      thrd gfdtrdgrd


    3. Message by: Space Marines685293 10/28/2004 17:49:37 GMT
      hei alle sammmen jkeg heter nerd


    4. Message by: Space Marines685293 10/28/2004 17:50:59 GMT
      ehemm...det var en dust jeg jobber med men jeg tror ikke vi vinner for eeeeh.....
      det g*r litt d*rlig


    5. Message by: masterminds562 10/28/2004 21:36:17 GMT
      viiiiiiiiiii viiiiiiiiiiiiiinner


      1. Message by: kruttsterk lego 10/29/2004 15:35:13 GMT
        Sikker p* det da???


Discussion: ballkurven By: masterminds562 10/28/2004 21:33:58 GMT
Vet noen hva som er v*r side av kurven?

Discussion: ballkurven By: masterminds562 11/08/2004 15:37:14 GMT
Vet noen hva som er v*r side av kurven?

  1. Message by: blindfolded 11/08/2004 15:37:14 GMT
    Det skal egentlig ikke ha noe og si for oppdraget... men jeg har ogs* et problem ang*ende denne ballkurven.. Vi skj*nner ikke hvor ballene skal st* og om det er lov eller ikke og gi roboten en ball f*r den forlater basen... m* roboten hente en ball selv eller kan vi gi en ball til roboten mens den fremdeles er inne i basen?

    Mvh
    Blindolfed



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Discussion: slt By: tezenas 10/19/2004 22:46:36 GMT
salut les banboula

  1. Message by: The Computer Viruses378 10/19/2004 22:46:36 GMT
    VGUHIUHKHGIEJNVEKLUHFKSDNHFRKCK H R3LKJYHFEIUBTG;LFH;LDFJORHJ?



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Discussion: 3 motor By: LegoFredos1070 10/20/2004 20:02:49 GMT
can we take a 3 Motor

  1. Message by: tnt685293 10/06/2004 18:27:02 GMT
    Yes.

    [Fredrik]


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    3. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 10/20/2004 20:02:49 GMT
      i don't know of you able to, but you are officially allowed to.



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Folder: Anonymous the arm hunters of FFL 2004 11/25/2004 18:42:08 GMT
Welcome to Anonymous the theam bent on finding an arm.
Any one who is from Leeds we'll meet you there. With this Lego arm we wiil help 1000s of Lego men so please help. Or we'll kill you.


Folder: Challoner 320 11/27/2004 16:24:34 GMT
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Folder: CTC STARS 12/01/2004 20:46:08 GMT


Discussion: Anyone having trouble By: CTC STARS 12/01/2004 20:46:08 GMT
Is antone having trouble building the robot I am just tell me if you are.

  1. Message by: Anonymous49 12/01/2004 20:00:00 GMT
    Go Suck your cock


    1. Message by: Hellas Little Angels Team 91 12/01/2004 20:46:08 GMT
      Anonymous, there is no need to be rude like that. Your team can loose forum privliages if you keep it up.



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Folder: Star Rovers Team Stuff 01/13/2005 13:24:29 GMT
Star Rovers Team Stuff


Folder: problem 01/13/2005 13:24:29 GMT
our rcx egnored the order to reset rotation sensor does anybody has that problem?

Discussion: Message To Visitors By: StarRovers 11/25/2004 18:37:18 GMT
Welcome all Lego League Visitors. Star Rovers or Star Rovers 2, is just The Team For Belvidere Primary School. If you Want More Info On Star Rovers 2 Vistit http://www.starr2.tk or join our club at http://www.msnusers.com/sr2.

  1. Message by: TechSavvy926 09/30/2004 01:10:12 GMT
    Do you guys know if you can bring the basket back to base and load the balls mannualy?


    1. Message by: Hellas Little Angels Team 91 09/30/2004 17:12:00 GMT
      No you can not. It is to stay there and be used by both teams at the two tables.


    2. Message by: Anonymous49 11/25/2004 18:34:30 GMT
      Dear Star Rovers
      Do you have instructions from your website about how to make an arm. I'll be on at 16:35
      From your new friends Anonymous


    3. Message by: Anonymous49 11/25/2004 18:37:18 GMT
      Soz but this stooooopid pc wont let me on so just send an Idea by this here forum.


Discussion: Excited By: 231hexbotics 11/25/2004 18:28:16 GMT
Hello has anyone entered this competition before? I am so excited I cant wait until the challenge is released on Saturday!!!!!!!

  1. Message by: blindfolded 09/27/2004 19:49:47 GMT
    Actually i joined last year.. the mission was hard but we did it.. (18th place of 36) Greetings from blindfolded. (last year was the first for me)


    1. Message by: Anonymous49 11/25/2004 18:28:16 GMT
      Just gimmy the instructions for an arm


Discussion: Hellooooooooo By: 231hexbotics 12/06/2004 18:57:16 GMT
Hello is anyone there. Can some one reply im sooooooo excited about saturday. Its going to take us 4 hours to get there. Doh oh well we get a day of school. Yipeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!
Some one reply. Over and out Ana

  1. Message by: IAFLLModerator 09/16/2004 16:42:48 GMT
    I'm not sure who you are from the UK, but I am so glad you are excited about FLL 2004!

    All our best,
    FLL Iowa


    1. Message by: 231hexbotics 09/18/2004 11:36:25 GMT
      Hey we are from the UK and proud of it see ya


    2. Message by: wisrds1084 09/22/2004 16:14:28 GMT
      hello!!


    3. Message by: 21stcentars2357 10/13/2004 21:41:48 GMT
      gggggggggggggggg


    4. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 10/31/2004 22:45:24 GMT
      Hi there.
      greetings from Germany. where and when will your challenge take place? Do you have local events, too?
      We*ll go for our local Challenge next Sunday in Bocholt/NRW.
      Our Team is excited about the coming event, too. Already finished your Robots?

      Robotron rocks


    5. Message by: Illuminati 11/08/2004 15:08:47 GMT
      Hi


    6. Message by: Illuminati 11/25/2004 22:44:09 GMT
      illuminati here, we are the winners from the east kent region this is from em


    7. Message by: Anonymous49 12/01/2004 20:06:59 GMT
      We are getting through too.
      Same 4 hour drive but we are aloud to bring a game boy.
      Go LEEDS!!!!!!


    8. Message by: Illuminati 12/06/2004 18:57:16 GMT
      Hello my children, We are the brotherhood of Team Illuminate, fear us if you dare...


Discussion: Hellooooooooo By: 231hexbotics 12/01/2004 20:08:47 GMT
Hello is anyone there. Can some one reply im sooooooo excited about saturday. Its going to take us 4 hours to get there. Doh oh well we get a day of school. Yipeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!
Some one reply. Over and out Ana

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    11. Message by: Illuminati 11/08/2004 15:08:05 GMT
      Hi


    12. Message by: Anonymous49 12/01/2004 20:08:47 GMT
      HI Illuminati
      Hope we meet
      By Anonymous Leeder Andrew
      P.s. CTC STARS SUCK


Discussion: Hungary meets the UK By: LandStoppos163 10/19/2004 22:43:14 GMT
Dear UK teams,
Our team is from Hungary and going to be competing at the competition in Cambridge on November 20th. We are looking for teams who might be interested in a little cultural exchange and would be willing to host us and show us something of their town/school for a night. We would be happy to return an invitations with one to Hungary. We are of course, always willing to talk about robots. We are really looking forward to coming to England and hope to meet many of you.
All the best,
LandStoppos

  1. Message by: The Computer Viruses378 10/19/2004 22:43:14 GMT
    I hope you get to go england. and stay someday i'll be there but for football. I live in the us and soccer is most of my life!!!

    ps: my name is Siera Snapp ,but CEE for short

    your competitor
    CEE!!!


Discussion: Germany meetz UK By: Legoreds 10/19/2004 22:34:32 GMT
Hi! What*s up?
Good luck for the competition!

  1. Message by: The Computer Viruses378 10/19/2004 22:33:27 GMT
    thanks. you to
    ps this is my first time in legoleague and it's awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    1. Message by: The Computer Viruses378 10/19/2004 22:34:04 GMT
      thanks.good luck you to
      ps this is my first time in legoleague and it's awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    2. Message by: The Computer Viruses378 10/19/2004 22:34:32 GMT
      thanks.good luck to you

      ps this is my first time in legoleague and it's awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Discussion: The Gate By: kithillyoungengineers172 11/25/2004 18:30:02 GMT
Has anyone noticed that the gate catch appears on different sides in the construction plan and the open the gate challenge picture. If built as in the plan the gate will open away from the steps. If build as shown on the challenge the gate will open towards the steps, which is correct?

  1. Message by: RoboManiacs 10/04/2004 16:25:31 GMT
    The gate should open away from the steps (and away from the pets).

    RoboManiacs
    Team #9
    www.robomaniacs.org


    1. Message by: 21stcentars2357 10/13/2004 21:45:12 GMT
      idea!use J. hook to climb stairs

      usa sc


    2. Message by: magiccreators1120 11/02/2004 15:32:48 GMT
      We don't know!


    3. Message by: Anonymous49 11/25/2004 18:30:02 GMT
      I will tell you what you need just get me an arm!!!!!!


Discussion: What do we do? By: HVC2004 12/13/2004 22:55:51 GMT
Fellow teams,

I am posting this discussion as we have not recieved instruction on what to do.

I would like to know if anyone else has received the info.

HVC2004

p.s. please email instructions to either myles_hvc@hotmail.com or me07970@hotmail.com. Cheers

  1. Message by: blindmice164 10/14/2004 17:14:49 GMT
    Yes we have had to wait ages for stuff too. We did not get a manual or team number. In the end I badgered Vanessa Purkiss from the contacts page until I got what I wanted. You can actually get most of the stuff from the web site if you look carefully - Team manual can be downloaded etc. Hope this helps - We are the Blind Mice and at the moment that's exactly how it feels!! zia Deeks


    1. Message by: Space Eagles585 10/14/2004 22:29:04 GMT
      Yes wehavw we'er in the us so i dont know if it's the same but it is called No limits you basicaly have to make ur robote elp disabled people.


    2. Message by: Illuminati 11/08/2004 15:09:39 GMT
      Ha Ha We know what to do!!


      1. Message by: HVC2004 11/08/2004 18:10:13 GMT
        Ha Ha We do 2? Just being helpful to anyone who wasn't sure.
        From the supreme rulers of all lego!!!


    3. Message by: robocats 11/22/2004 23:13:02 GMT
      Can we help the robot?
      Can we put the ball in robots hands?


    4. Message by: robocats 11/22/2004 23:18:50 GMT
      you can find the rules on the web site


      1. Message by: robocats 12/13/2004 22:55:51 GMT
        MAY WE STEAL SOME OF YOUR IDEAS!


    5. Message by: robocats 11/22/2004 23:26:43 GMT
      Can we put the balls in the robots hand or not


      1. Message by: robocats 11/22/2004 23:28:49 GMT
        NO


Discussion: Research By: 231hexbotics 11/08/2004 14:59:50 GMT
Hi we are not sure whether we have to build a robot for the research presentation. Can someone tellus please?

  1. Message by: thunderbolts11 10/18/2004 20:41:53 GMT
    No. you don't have to build a robot for the research. In fact you don't have to have a robotic solution either, you need to "Create a robotic or other engineering solution to solve an issue of accessibility you found in your school or community." So a drawing or pretend robot would be ok.

    Laura


    1. Message by: Illuminati 11/08/2004 14:59:50 GMT
      I know the sort of thing we have to do but can the public place be our school?


Discussion: greetings from Arabia By: infinityhelpers 10/21/2004 11:37:44 GMT
I just wanted to say hello and good luck to all the teams.

  1. Message by: E-Knights2747 10/19/2004 01:24:37 GMT
    Hello infinityhelpers we are the E-Kinghts from Columbia South Carolina USA. Just wanted to say good luck also!


    1. Message by: infinityhelpers 10/21/2004 11:37:44 GMT
      Thank you and best wishes from SaudiArabia.


Discussion: Where does everyone come from? By: 231hexbotics 11/02/2004 19:58:59 GMT
Hi I am wondering were everyone comes from that is entering the tournament in the uk. We are from near Newcastle and have to travel to sheffield to get to the nearest tournament? where are the other tounaments taking place? Is there one closer to Newcastle then sheffield? Please Reply

  1. Message by: 10/21/2004 10:10:51 GMT
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    1. Message by: infinityhelpers 10/21/2004 11:59:25 GMT
      well my team comes from the KSA Kingom of Saudi Arabia. I dont know if there is any tournament near Newcastle. And we are competing all the way to sheffield because it is the nearest to Saudi Arabia and i want to tell you about myself my name is Doody and i am ten years old and i live in the middle east and we are the only people in the midlle east that are comppetting in no limits and our team is made from nine people.


    2. Message by: magiccreators1120 11/02/2004 19:58:59 GMT
      We are coming from the "Werner-von-Siemens Gymnasium" Magdeburg, but our challange is in Germany...


Discussion: Can you help me By: infinityhelpers 11/02/2004 15:31:39 GMT
Do you know what this peice is in the tornament?

  1. Message by: thunderbolts11 10/21/2004 17:00:46 GMT
    What piece?


    1. Message by: infinityhelpers 10/23/2004 13:51:37 GMT
      this piece.


      1. Message by: thunderbolts11 10/26/2004 02:11:56 GMT
        Its the basket ball holder. Goes 1/2 on one table and 1/2 on the other.


    2. Message by: magiccreators1120 11/02/2004 15:31:39 GMT
      It's the basketholder!


Discussion: which hotel do you recommend staying in? By: infinityhelpers 12/02/2004 17:30:50 GMT
Can you please tell us which hotel is closest to sheffield university? Can you please reply as soon as you read this messege.

  1. Message by: Illuminati 11/08/2004 15:10:50 GMT
    We reccommend the Ebury Hotel


    1. Message by: Anonymous49 12/02/2004 17:30:50 GMT
      Try Ebury hotel


Discussion: help help help! By: infinityhelpers 11/09/2004 19:25:57 GMT
can you score more then once in the white basket?

  1. Message by: RoboManiacs 10/29/2004 18:33:50 GMT
    No, only one ball can be in the center basket at the end of the match.

    RoboManiacs
    Team #9
    www.robomaniacs.org


    1. Message by: magiccreators1120 11/02/2004 15:28:51 GMT
      No, in Germany, we can score 4 balls in the white basket!


    2. Message by: opms2685 11/09/2004 19:12:47 GMT
      Help ... can we score or not more than one ball in a basket per round? Thanks the new kids on the block.


      1. Message by: RoboManiacs 11/09/2004 19:25:57 GMT
        I am unaware of any different rules for different countries. My understanding is that only one ball can be scored in the center basket. We are a US team, and these are the rules we are playing by. Unless you know differently, I would assume the rules are the same.

        RoboManiacs
        Team #9
        www.robomaniacs.org


Discussion: hotel in Sheffield By: infinityhelpers 10/30/2004 15:45:01 GMT
Which hotel in Sheffield is the closest to the event?

Discussion: Research Project By: Illuminati 12/02/2004 16:12:36 GMT
Can the public place be our school? or does it have to be outside of school

  1. Message by: Padnelljuniorschool138 11/22/2004 21:06:54 GMT
    we have chosen school as our public place, if thats any help

    padnell


    1. Message by: Anonymous49 11/25/2004 18:53:39 GMT
      Send us an arm at the Topic *500 reward


    2. Message by: CTC STARS 11/29/2004 18:47:35 GMT
      Yes you can use the school as your public place we are


    3. Message by: Challoner320 12/02/2004 16:12:36 GMT
      Do you have any tips on the research project!
      Help please


Discussion: Hi By: Illuminati 11/19/2004 01:09:26 GMT
This is our first time with the lego league. Any tips?

  1. Message by: SMART 1 11/08/2004 17:24:22 GMT
    My biggest tip would be to review as many messages in the forum as possible and take a close look at the unofficial FAQ.

    Illuminati?? Kind of a dark name, no?

    - Peter


    1. Message by: MansBestFriend3299 11/19/2004 01:09:26 GMT
      my hint on the disabilities reschurts is look on "Google.com


Discussion: Are we... By: Illuminati 11/12/2004 00:08:36 GMT
Hi people. this is a general question. In the rules it says only lego pieces are allowed to be used but does that mean that we can use any lego stuff or just from the stuff that we got?

Either way, Our team kicks your...(I'll leave that 2 your imaginations!)

  1. Message by: Robotron2.0_1029 11/12/2004 00:08:36 GMT
    Hi. you are allowed to use any lego-parts, as long as they are in the original state and haven*t been modified in any way (glued, painted, lubricated, etc.). My team has used many parts that were not in the challenge-set or how that box-with-too-little-parts is called.

    Greetings from good ol* Germany

    Stefan
    Robotron 2.0

    --->Robotron Strikes back


Discussion: Are we... By: Illuminati 11/11/2004 18:17:56 GMT
Hi people. this is a general question. In the rules it says only lego pieces are allowed to be used but does that mean that we can use any lego stuff or just from the stuff that we got?

Either way, Our team kicks your...(I'll leave that 2 your imaginations!)

  1. Message by: Hellas Little Angels Team 91 11/11/2004 18:17:56 GMT
    If you read the rules, you can use any unaltered lego piece. The are a few restictions on some of the bonical pieces. There is also a limit on electrical parts. 1 rcx, 3 motors, 1 rotation sensor, 2 touch sensors, and 2 light sensors. Those are the only parts you are limited to, and that would be total for all attachments brought to the table.


Discussion: Where is the Liverpool tournament??` By: CGGS293 12/02/2004 17:28:37 GMT
He,

Does anyone know where the Liver pool Regional Tournament on 30/11/04 is?

Would be grately appreciated if you could let me know.

Thanks

  1. Message by: CGGS293 11/30/2004 15:30:07 GMT
    It is in Liverpool On 30/11/04


    1. Message by: Anonymous49 12/02/2004 17:28:37 GMT
      Don't ask me.
      Try looking on teams and tornamants


Discussion: Rules in the home base By: Illuminati 11/24/2004 16:33:42 GMT
Does the robot have to be COMPLETELY in the home base if we want to touch it? Do we lose points if the robot has returned to the home base and we touch it when only part of it is in the home base?

  1. Message by: thunderbolts11 11/24/2004 16:33:42 GMT
    The rules say
    BONUS LOSS: If the robot is touched while completely out of Base, the referee removes one Bonus Object from the field if there are any available at that time. If the robot is touched while crossing in or out of Base, there is no Bonus Loss.

    So, no, you can get it as it comes back to base.
    Laura


Discussion: *500 reward By: Anonymous49 11/30/2004 17:05:41 GMT
If you send us details on how to make an arm I will give you *500. Also if you are from Leeds we'll met you there.
From your new friends Anonymous(Andrew Stevens)
Ps. Joseph Stevens is the captain.

  1. Message by: CTC STARS 11/29/2004 19:03:47 GMT
    Yes how about you make it yourself you lazy people. Or ask your mothers to help you.


    1. Message by: Anonymous49 11/30/2004 17:05:41 GMT
      DEAR CTC STARS
      yOU ARE A SET OF B******S


Discussion: Has anybody got any information about the Telford Competition By: Challoner320 12/02/2004 17:30:11 GMT
Hey,

We are the Challoner 320 team. We where wondering whether anyone had any information about the telford competition?

Help!!

  1. Message by: Anonymous49 12/02/2004 17:30:11 GMT
    Look on Teams and tournaments


Discussion: How much should we bring? By: infinityhelpers 11/29/2004 19:05:47 GMT
Good day all!!..
Our clock is ticking.. we have few more days before we participate in Sheffield competition!.. all of use are so excited!..
There are 10 kids comming along the competitin.. and we were wonering how much pocket money should we bring along?.. accomodations and transportations will be paid for.. but what about food and other stuff..
Your help is so much appreciated.
Thanks,
Toooooooooooooo infinity and beyond!
Team Infinity Helpers

  1. Message by: CTC STARS 11/29/2004 19:05:47 GMT
    I'm bringing *30 pound that should be enough I live near sheffield and are going to the competition there isn't much to buy in Sheffield.


Discussion: Black Food Pieces In The Base By: Challoner320 12/01/2004 20:04:03 GMT
We are the Challoner 320 group.

We are a bit confused about the rules of the base. We were wondering if you could pick up the food pieces in the base with your hands and put them in the bowl and then take the bowl into the field. Or is it necessary that the robot has to pick the black food pieces lying in the base and put it in the bowl??

  1. Message by: CTC STARS 11/29/2004 18:44:58 GMT
    I think that you can use your hands
    andrew ctc stars
    p.s im not sure see what everyone else thinks


    1. Message by: Anonymous49 12/01/2004 20:04:03 GMT
      We are through to the internationals and the black food is for the cat and dogs. Don't stick in bowl
      Attatch to robot with hand. take them to the cat & dog
      P.s. Don't kill them like we did


Discussion: The Robot By: 231hexbotics 11/29/2004 19:06:59 GMT
Has everyone finished the robot and presentation yet?

  1. Message by: CTC STARS 11/29/2004 19:06:59 GMT
    Yes we have........... Not were having quite a bit of trouble but it should be finished soon. Hopefully.


Discussion: Anyone else having trouble By: CTC STARS 11/30/2004 17:09:06 GMT
Are any other teams having trouble with this years build. We are a bit behind are you? You don't have to leave your name if you don't want.

  1. Message by: Equalities130 11/30/2004 12:38:46 GMT
    dont give up CTC even if you just go along to the regional competition you should be able to get lots of ideas on how some other teams are managing to get as far as they do in the same time frame. At our school we have had to take every Wednesday after school till 6 and give up one of our half term days - we have a very suportive staff who make time on the time table for the last 2 weeks before the competition and that has helped a lot. The CD disc and the stairs, and moving the chairs seem to be good tasks to get you going.

    Good Luck !


    1. Message by: Anonymous49 11/30/2004 17:09:06 GMT
      DO YOU KNOW HOW TO MAKE AN ARM?
      P.S. DON'T GO ON *500 REWARD


Discussion: Leeds winners By: Anonymous49 12/02/2004 17:23:26 GMT
Anonymous Are The Winners of Leeds
Na na na na na

  1. Message by: thunderbolts11 12/01/2004 20:00:47 GMT
    Well that's a great show of GP. Maybe they will come and take the award away with a comment like that :-(

    Laura


    1. Message by: Anonymous49 12/02/2004 17:23:26 GMT
      Only jokin'
      God can't you take joke.
      P.s all who read tell us your names and maby we can be friends


Discussion: CTC STARS MUST READ By: Anonymous49 12/02/2004 17:16:26 GMT
If you are one of the team mates of this team, read *500 reward again.
P.s. I (Andrew) Am captain NOT Joseph

  1. Message by: Anonymous49 12/02/2004 17:16:26 GMT
    Only jokin


Discussion: Good Luck By: 231hexbotics 12/02/2004 17:19:30 GMT
Hi We are worried its our first year with FLL and our competition is on Saturday> hOw has everybody else done

  1. Message by: Anonymous49 12/02/2004 17:19:30 GMT
    We from anoymous have past
    If you use casters that should help
    Good look


Discussion: UK WINNERS MUST READ By: Anonymous49 12/15/2004 16:43:48 GMT
WE ARE ANONYMOUS. WE WON THE LEEDS COMPETITION AND ARE OF TO ESSEX. PLEASE WRITE WAY THE GATE OPEN IN YOUR COMP
ARES OPENED TOWARDS THE CAT AND DOG
ANDREW (CAPTAIN)
P.S. CONGRATULATIONS

  1. Message by: CTC STARS 12/15/2004 16:43:48 GMT
    it epens away from the cat and dog


Discussion: to Ilumanti By: Anonymous49 12/07/2004 20:18:22 GMT
Your cool

  1. Message by: Illuminati 12/07/2004 20:18:22 GMT
    thanx


Discussion: Winners By: 231hexbotics 02/13/2005 23:33:07 GMT
Hi who are the winners that are going through to th efinal

  1. Message by: RobotRulers776 02/13/2005 23:33:07 GMT
    If you mean the Internationals in Atlanta Georgia, we the
    L3 Robot Rulers will be there.

    L3 Robot Rulers


Discussion: Winner By: 231hexbotics 12/04/2004 19:47:27 GMT
Hello
Who won and is through to the final. We WON so see you there

Discussion: unknown brick error By: 231hexbotics 12/08/2004 01:08:09 GMT
does anyone know what a unknown brick error is because we have had to write our programs over and over again and each time it would not download. even though the national finals is over we still want to know because it would help us in the future.ppppppllllllllzzzzzz! ! ! ! ! !

Discussion: Its all over By: 231hexbotics 12/08/2004 18:25:28 GMT
Hi everyone
We all had a great day yesterday apart from the fact we lost. We came 8th overall including presentation ect... We are going to set up a team next year. I hope everyone else is to.
See You Next Year (Perhaps)

Discussion: HELP!-HELP!-HELP!-HELP! By: RobotRulers776 01/03/2005 22:53:31 GMT
We are a new team and need some help!!!!

We have a competion in about three weeks and are still having problems with consistancey. How do your robots get to be so accurate? If you have an answer please email us at
mlieber@lockport.wnyric.org

We would really appreciate some help and your kindness will not be over looked.

L3 Robot Rulers

  1. Message by: SMART 1 01/03/2005 22:53:31 GMT
    Hey 776,

    There are a lot of things that go into consistency. If you tell us where you see the inconsistency the most that may help those on the forum support you.

    Now here is my little "secret" for using the forum...

    Try searching for keywords related to your problem using the search button! If you're lucky you'll find messages going back a few years. They shut the forum down in the spring, but they don't clear out all the old messages so all the old message threads are there if you can just use the right search word. For example, try searching for the word "straight". You'll find message threads going all the way back to 2001.

    Good luck to you.

    - Peter


Discussion: Registration By: 231hexbotics 05/07/2005 10:44:35 GMT
Hi

Its now 7th of May..i was just wondering is anyone had registered becase it says registration is shut. Does anyone know why htis is happening..registration was meant to be open 2ND May.

Thnx
Hexbotics


Folder: - UNITED STATES - [for American members] 09/10/2004 19:40:05 GMT



Folder: Equipment Questions 02/09/2005 00:57:41 GMT
Please post all discussions and questions about equipment in this folder.


Folder: Batteries 01/03/2005 01:28:45 GMT
Put questions about batteries here

Discussion: Rechargeable batteries By: icebergs152 01/03/2005 01:28:45 GMT
In the past we have used "rechargeable alkaline" 1.5V batteries. We charge them every few runs so they slways have the same voltage. But they are getting old and don't hold a charge anymore. I haven't been able to find anything except NiMH 1.2V batteries, which don't work at all. Surely there is a cheaper (and greener) alternative than buying lots of single use alkaline batteries? Anyone have ideas on this topic?

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/20/2004 02:59:56 GMT
    Why do NiMH batteries not work "at all" for you? They work well enough for me and a friend of mine. Perhaps some details about your issue?

    -Skye


    1. Message by: thunderbolts11 10/20/2004 15:24:21 GMT
      The 1.2 Nigh don't work for me either. The RCX reports dead batteries and it goes real slow.

      You can still get the 1.5 NiCads at the hobby shop.

      Laura


      1. Message by: AZK3535 10/25/2004 18:56:11 GMT
        use 8 of them the rcx accept 9.6 volts


        1. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/25/2004 19:24:19 GMT
          Do you have suggestions on how to cram 8 cells into the RCX with space for 6 AA cells?

          -Skye


      2. Message by: Tweeters177 11/21/2004 13:26:37 GMT
        I'm confused - Last year, we started using 2 sets of 6 batteries rotated through 2 rechargers (note that the chargers take up to 8, but have a feature for charging fewer). We are using Radio Shack Nickel metal Hydride 1.2V AA. They read full on the RCX and they do make the robot run-sort of. They just don't seem to have the pep that the alkaline disposables have. Oh, Maybe it IS the voltage??? Are there better rechargeables out there?
        sign me running slow in Frisco


      3. Message by: Mindstorms Mayhem #7 11/21/2004 14:07:21 GMT
        Tweeters177,

        The lower voltage of the rechargeable batteries (we get about 7.7 to 8.1 volts across a total of 6 NiMH batteries) does result in "less pep" for a robot than one with disposable alkaline batteries (typically about 8.7 to 9.3 volts for a set of 6). Whether or not this is a good thing depends on the robot and how it works. Less available power can reduce the ability of the robot to do things like climb stairs, but can also be a benefit at having the robot make more precise movements. (Slower movements tend to be more controllable.) This is a typical engineering trade, without a single "right answer" but with some benefits and disadvantages to either solution.

        The team I coach has used NiMH batteries almost exclusively for the past three years. In that time we have become quite familiar with the characteristics of the NiMH batteries. Yes, they have less power, but they are less expensive in the long run. We have also found them to have quite predictable decay characteristics. We have used various brands (Radio Shack, Sanyo, and Jetcell (the latter two are from
        RipVan100.com) without really much of a difference. Our favorites have been the green Sanyo industrial cells. The higher capacity batteries simply last longer between charges.

        In sum, NiMH and alkaline batteries give different characteristics. The more limited power of the NiMH batteries may limit some of the tasks that the robot can do (due to less power) but don't prevent building a high-scoring robot. Indeed, the Mindstorms Mayhem team has had a max-score capable robot each of the past two years with NiMH batteries. (They're still working on it this year, though!)

        Best Wishes,

        --ken
        Coach, Mindstorms Mayhem

        PS: If you plan to use NiMH batteries, you will need to have a voltmeter so that you can determine if you develop any bad cells - over time they do eventually go bad and will be unable to hold a charge. This happens on a battery-by-battery basis, though, so a voltmeter is an essential tool for locating the failed battery.


        1. Message by: Tweeters177 01/03/2005 01:28:45 GMT
          Thanks Ken and Yikes! As we say..Batteries, the final frontier. Batteries are our nightmare! The team changed to alkaline disposables two weeks before our regional in an effort to squeak out a little speed. At the regional a brand new set of batteries almost lost them a spot in state as portions of their programs dependent upon time became unpredictable and un-adjust-for-able.

          The word on the street is that a voltmeter alone will not help determine what the batteries will do under load. We will keep one in our bot first aid kit as advised.

          We located a nice graph made by maritime and aviation orgs. It compares the performance of rechargeables.The performance of the NiMH rechargeables is low but rock solid as compared to the steady decay of the alkalines.In other words, I see what you said. The team is looking at this and making that engineering decision and looking at other ways of speeding up Eileen C.as we prepare for state.
          -Karen
          Coach, Tweeters177


    2. Message by: icebergs152 10/21/2004 16:34:54 GMT
      1.2V isn't enough to run the robot at full speed, even if it does work OK. We experienced problems similar to those described above. In the past, when we used 1.5V Nice or "re chargeable alkaline" batteries, we actually had a little more than 1.5V when batteries were freshly charged. Yea!

      We typically have changed the batteries once during the day at competitions. We used re chargeable batteries for the cost saving and also for consistency. Although you probably could get equal performance from alkaline batteries. Another coach's son did a project on batteries; I'll ask him if he made graphs of voltage s. time. The ideal is a flat curve. The Nice batteries had a relatively flat curve, then a rapid drop-off. I don't know about Nigh.

      Dale Murrish
      Imperial ICEBERGS coach, team 152


    3. Message by: icebergs152 10/21/2004 16:44:47 GMT
      Thanks, Laura. I'll call some hobby shops. I haven't seen NiCd batteries in regular stores for several years. I don't understand why the rechargeable ones aren't more popular, since they're certainly cheaper over the long haul.

      Cadmium is a hazardous material, so I'm not surprised it's being phased out. We're being asked to remove it from our engine bearings, where trace amounts help the bearing absorb debris. I'm not sure what "rechargeable alkaline" means, maybe it's NiCd.

      Regards,
      Dale Murrish


    4. Message by: Mindstorms Mayhem #7 10/25/2004 21:02:07 GMT
      NiMH batteries can work just fine in a Lego RCX and FLL robot. If you have NiMH batteries that "do not work at all" I would suggest checking to see that each of the batteries is charged. One fully discharged (dead) battery in a batch of 6 can be enough to make the RCX not work at all.

      NiMH (and other rechargeable batteries) sometimes "go bad" over time. I would suggest using a voltmeter (preferably one with a "battery check" setting) to check the voltage on your batteries. The NiMH batteries that our team has used over the past two years typically each show ~1.15 volts (or less) when fully discharged, and ~1.35 volts each when fully charged. By being able to check the voltage on each battery individually, you can find if you have a single bad battery in your batch of six.

      Yes, NiMH batteries will result in a max voltage of between 7.2V to 8.1V for 6 batteries in an RCX. This will give significantly less power than when using 6 Alkaline batteries (~8.4V to 9.6V). However, less power may not be a disadvantage. It may even make some things easier -- more power isn't always a good thing...

      For what it's worth, I can testify to the fact that NiMH batteries can be made to work. The team I coach was able to achieve maximum scores in 2002 CitySights and 2003 Mission Mars with NiMH batteries in their robot during competitions. (This year, however, may be a very different story... :-) )

      --ken
      Coach, Mindstorms Mayhem


    5. Message by: ilsgreen2292 11/22/2004 06:24:15 GMT
      A fast Google search might indicate that Rayovac rechargeable alkalines might still be available, but this alternate supply might say the Rayovac discontinued rechargable alkalines. Other sources for rechargable alkalines may be here and here.

      I'll have to keep mail order as an option to NiMH when my current batch of rechargable alkalines die. I've been happy with my rechargable alkalines for the 5 years I have coached. I had to replace all of mine last year after three years, as the original ones I had stopped holding a charge. I should be good through most of next year with the current set.

      - Mark


    6. Message by: MindStormTroopers 11/27/2004 19:25:35 GMT
      Now I'm confused. I thought we were only allowed AA Alkalines at the Match. Now your saying we can have Ni-Mhs, and Ni-Cds? Or are you talking only for practice?


      1. Message by: See-More 1298 11/27/2004 20:00:36 GMT
        The rules only state that you are limited to "6 AA batteries." It never specifies what kind of batteries.

        We have used Ni-Cds for the past two years and much prefer them to the throw-away kind!

        Marie
        whose teams like to build battery-depleting, heavy, slow treaded bots


    7. Message by: TX FLL Volunteer Moderator 11/30/2004 05:00:07 GMT
      One team I know had tried to used rechargebles last year (I don't remember which brand) but they were too short to use in their RCX.

      We compared them side by side with a traditional AA battery and it was a bit shorter.

      Anyone run into that problem in trying to use rechargebles?

      Our feel was the rechargebles were fine for general practice but once it got to the timed runs where you were trying to get exact times, it was better to go with traditional AA batteries, and not brand new ones either. The ones that gave the best performance had been used for a bit.


      1. Message by: The Fidgeteers-72 12/03/2004 22:13:41 GMT
        That's interesting. We just switched to rechargable NiMH batteries this year (1.25V, 1800-2000 mAH (I think that's the right units)). They work really nice. Seem to have more consistent power delivery. With traditional AA batteries the robot would be "super charged" the first couple of hours. The rechargables don't seem to do that.

        Courtney


    8. Message by: RoboQuest 12/11/2004 03:34:40 GMT
      Dear Mr. Murrish,

      We use regular batteries until the voltage is 8 volts. Then we take them out and my father puts them away so Andrew (who is a team member) and I can use them for our game boys and other toys. We buy Duracell batteries at Costco and they are 36 cents each. We tried to use the NiMH batteries last year and they also didn't work for us either.

      Stephen Wallis - team member
      Team: 115 RoboQuest


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 12/11/2004 03:55:01 GMT
        Stephen,
        What type of robot are you using? Does it use treads or wheels? Would you consider it light or heavy?

        -Skye


        1. Message by: RoboQuest 12/14/2004 03:25:41 GMT
          We use treads that have three wheels in between them. Our robot weighs 684 grams and the manipulators weigh 9-90 grams.

          Stephen Wallis age 9
          Team:115 Team member


          1. Message by: fll-freak1328 12/14/2004 03:37:48 GMT
            That is a medium to heavy robot using a very high friction drive system. I would not assume the batteries to last very long. I could even see the NiMH batteries not powering the robot. A motor needs voltage to produce torque. Lower voltage means lower torque means less ability to get your robot moving.

            -Skye


Discussion: Program loss By: ManateeMindstormers4203 11/16/2004 19:40:10 GMT
Whenever we change our robot's batteries, we lose a few programs, even though we change them one at a time, in less than a minute each. what is going on?

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/16/2004 19:37:54 GMT
    Shoot for just a few seconds without a battery.

    -Skye


    1. Message by: thunderbolts11 11/16/2004 19:40:10 GMT
      We change 1 battery at a time. And make sure the RCX is off before you start.
      Laura


Discussion: battery running low By: ManateeMindstormers4203 12/10/2004 18:53:20 GMT
Does anyone know why our batteries keep running out so fast? I mean, they run out after about 2 hours ow running the programs. Does anyone else's do that? Or do you know why ours do that? Because we can't do any programs right beause we dont know how high the power lvl has to be to actually do the programs right

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/18/2004 21:23:20 GMT
    Battery milage will vary. The quickest way to kill batteries is to have a heavy robot that uses treads. Two hours in this case would be pretty good. Run a wheeled light robot and that same set will last many more hours.

    My first year, we started purchasing batteries by the case because we were eating them so fast. Guess what? We had a heavy tracked robot!

    I do believe that there is a section on batteries in the Coach's Handbook at http://www.fll-freak.com

    -Skye


    1. Message by: Wildcats2263 11/18/2004 22:22:40 GMT
      Don't know about Robolab, but in RIS you can check the battery level by going to the settings area. We have found that there is a point where the performance reliability does start to drop off, so when the robot starts to act wierd the first thing we do is check the power level and change the batteries if it's below the threshhold that the kids established. I would check the level when you first install a set, and then keep track of where you see the performance start to decline to decide what your threshhold is. Then, I take the half used batteries home for my 6 year old to put in the flashlight she's always forgetting to turn off!

      Monica


      1. Message by: RoboQuest 12/10/2004 18:53:20 GMT
        In Robolab it is possible to check the battery level. Open inventor 4, click on the project button at the top of the screen in the Robolab program, and then click on the interrogate RCX button on the drop down menu. When the new screen comes up, the RCX battery level is displayed on the left side of the screen. You need to have your RCX on and in front of the serial tower for this to work.

        Andrew Wallis,
        RoboQuest Team Member



Folder: Equipment Needed 12/02/2004 15:52:43 GMT
Anyone have a used mindstorms kit and brick. We have a group of ten kids which is making it difficult to coordinate as a first time coach with just one kit. Must be reasonably priced or willing to "loan." Located in Oregon.

Discussion: LEGO Mindstorm Kits Promotion at Amazon.com By: technologytigers872 10/16/2004 03:10:17 GMT
Amazon.com has a promotion going on right now, applies to Mindstorms RIS 2.0 kits. You can buy three for the price of two, which makes each Mindstorms kit $133.33 before shipping. Expires October 2, though.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005NLID/qid=1096651614/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/102-4799100-8814538?v=glance&s=toys&n=507846

Andy Jahn
Technology Tigers

  1. Message by: thunderbolts11 10/01/2004 23:36:30 GMT
    Anyone want to go in on this? I don't need 3, but could 1.
    Amazon will ship to multiple addresses with one order. The thing expires tomorrow if anyone is interested

    Laura
    Central Florida


    1. Message by: DCHS3136 10/05/2004 08:00:17 GMT
      Thanks...I found out about it about 10pm the eve of the 2nd and attempted to order...but the "system" was busy, it wouldn't go through, etc...then magically it went through AFTER midnight...but then the deal was no longer offered...I've emailed them but haven't heard back. Thankyou!


    2. Message by: DCHS3136 10/05/2004 08:00:57 GMT
      Laura,

      Did you do it? I could use one. I couldn't order...see my mesaage below


      1. Message by: thunderbolts11 10/05/2004 16:24:41 GMT
        No. I didn't want 3 kits. Next time. If they offer to sell you 3 at the reduced price, I will buy one from you.


    3. Message by: DCHS3136 10/07/2004 21:13:45 GMT
      They sold me three -- after the fact. I had emailed them at 1 am in the morning and they honored it! Do you need one. I would have to charge actual postage.


      1. Message by: thunderbolts11 10/08/2004 14:23:29 GMT
        Yes, Please.
        Laura


        1. Message by: thunderbolts11 10/16/2004 03:10:17 GMT
          Thanks, I got it today :-)


Discussion: Need a Rotation Sensor By: BlueCheesyFlamingos952 11/01/2004 21:16:30 GMT
Hi,
Is there is anyone out there who would be willing to sell me a rotation sensor and ship in out next day? Thanks, Carla :)

Blue Cheesy Flamingos
Coach

Discussion: need field setup kit and mat By: robo_wolves3850 12/02/2004 15:52:43 GMT
Well, there was a huge mixup with my team this year and it turns out we don't have a field setup kit or a mat :(

And we can't get any more. FLL is out.

Is there anyone with an extra or someone in the Raleigh NC area that could share??

Thanks a ton.
-William


Folder: LEGO Questions (not programming) 02/28/2005 23:32:07 GMT



Folder: Basket Building 09/30/2004 23:04:31 GMT
After quite a bit of time I finally was able to get the basket built. It definitely is complex. I would not suggest you do this piece first.

Can anyone advise what piece they use to attach the opposite side of the the basket to the station. On the last page they show one side with long beams to the station, but the opposite side does not have them. If you do not put a connector of some sort the basket falls off the station. Several connectors I have tried in fact make the basket lopsided.

Discussion: basket building By: Wildcats2263 09/30/2004 23:04:31 GMT
After reviewing the instructions, we built the basket the same on both sides, even though the overall picture seems to indicate that only one side has the long pieces. This really is an optical illusion- your view of the long piece in the back is blocked by the other pieces. The instructions for that area say to build 2 identical pieces (the 2X in the corner in step 10) You need to add a doubler to the table in the area the basket goes to simulate 2 tables back to back. After doing these 2 things and dual locking the basket holder to the edge of the table your basket should be secure.
Monica

  1. Message by: Hawks2190 09/30/2004 23:04:31 GMT
    Please disregard this question. After assembling all the other pieces of equipment I realized the basket is symmetrical, so the question above is a mute point. Sorry, I am new this year.


Discussion: Unofficial FLL Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) available By: fll-freak1328 09/20/2004 17:09:06 GMT
Fellow FLLer,

Please consider reading the Unofficial FLL FAQ before posting your
questions. The FAQ is the result of condensing the posting from
the previous two seasons. All the non-challenge specific questions
have likely already been answered. The FAQ has been updated for this
year's rule changes.

The FAQ was not authored by FIRST, but rather by coaches like you.

You can find the FAQ at:

http://www.fll-freak.com/faq

Skye Sweeney
Skye@fll-freak.com

  1. Message by: supernerds2273 09/20/2004 17:03:31 GMT
    Can we use hydrolics


    1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/20/2004 17:09:06 GMT
      If you read the FAQ, you will find your answer! Try the
      section on allowable parts.

      -Skye


Discussion: Wheel Slippage By: jemath857 11/08/2004 16:55:59 GMT
We have narrowed down our "hooking" problem and think that it is due to slippage in the wheel. Some of the tires are nice and tight around the wheel but the others slips easily around the wheel. As best we can tell, we are getting much better traction on one side than the other.

Our kits are kindly lent to teams by the robotics committee at school but they are getting well worn. Does anyone have any suggestions? Or do I just need to buy new tires (I imagine, I'll have to buy wheels too) ? If this kind of wear is normal, what kind of lifespan should we expect from tires (that seems to be the source of the problem).

Thanks,

Tracey.

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/19/2004 21:50:09 GMT
    I have a friend that buy tires by the 'gross' since his
    team's robot chews them up real fast. Yes, wear and tear
    is to be expected. You can buy some spares from Pitsco,
    and some from LEGO, and just about any piece from
    www.bricklink.com

    -Skye


    1. Message by: thunderbolts11 09/19/2004 23:39:33 GMT
      We had the same problem our first year. We didn't want to change the wheels and had no time to order more. Our solution was to put the Lego rubber bands around the wheels before putting the tires on. You can't use glue, but this really works well.

      Laura


    2. Message by: jemath857 09/20/2004 03:17:18 GMT
      A short term and long term solution! Gotta love FLL Forum. Thanks,

      Tracey.


    3. Message by: Mindstorms Mayhem #7 09/20/2004 17:19:41 GMT
      Hey! I resemble that remark!

      Yes, the Mindstorms Mayhem team's robot was found to eat up tires when line following certain arcs of a line in 2002 on CitySights (the problem they had was that the tires actually "shred" from the rapid forward/back changes.) They never actually came up with a solution for the problem, but some tires seem to last longer than others. Their solution had been to use "old tires" for practice, and switch to "new tires" shortly before the tournament.

      The team didn't have the problem in 2003 with Mission Mars, as they only followed straight lines. They also now have a kindler and gentler line follower. Who knows if it will be a problem this year?

      --ken
      Coach, Mindstorms Mayhem


    4. Message by: Hellas Little Angels Team 91 09/20/2004 17:23:06 GMT
      I have bought many peices off of bricklink, it ia a good source to buy small amounts of parts, and hard to get parts too..


    5. Message by: 11/08/2004 16:51:51 GMT
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    6. Message by: 11/08/2004 16:55:59 GMT
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Discussion: pneumatic system switch By: Boybotics Energizers 10/03/2004 07:28:46 GMT
this year my team and I want to use pneumatic but we don't know how to make a switch with the third motor. Any ideas?

  1. Message by: LaSalle278.280 09/23/2004 20:51:55 GMT
    Use a motor to move a pneumatic switch.

    Dave Kolberg


    1. Message by: 09/23/2004 21:05:17 GMT
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    2. Message by: Robomonkeys345 09/26/2004 14:20:38 GMT
      Our team built a really great 3-fingered pneumatic claw with 2 storage tanks and a manual pump. We used a motor to flip a pneumatic switch that opened and closed the claw. It would be better if you can save the motor for other things and use your environment to trigger the claw, but the team could not figure out a way to make this happen. Our overall pneumatic experience was great. Kids learned a lot and the closing power of the claw was lot stronger then any motor assembly could have been. This was key to closing the habitation module.


      1. Message by: opms2685 09/27/2004 21:12:49 GMT
        We are a new team at Fll. On the Questions and Answers page for 9-21-04 states that we cannot use pneumatics. Did we miss something?


        1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/27/2004 21:30:36 GMT
          I think if you re-read the Q&A you will see that pneumatics
          are allowed!

          i A: All parts NOT restricted under the MATERIALS rule are legal in any quantity, no matter what the source. This even includes pneumatics, and wind-ups.

          The only part restrictions is a list of electrical parts and the fact that the parts must be LEGO and in factory original condition. As long as your pneumatics fit that description you are just fine.

          -Skye


          1. Message by: 09/30/2004 02:16:44 GMT
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        2. Message by: SharonB 09/27/2004 21:31:50 GMT
          Yes, you mis-read. It says everything that is not on the restricted list is legal. And such legal things include pnuematics and windups.


    3. Message by: 10/01/2004 00:50:38 GMT
      Deleted


    4. Message by: Team454 10/01/2004 03:52:14 GMT
      That language has changed. Now, only the three motors and specified sensors are allowed. I read that as NO windup motors and NO environment triggered pneumatic switches.


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/01/2004 04:07:06 GMT
        I do not believe that is not how it should be read. The materials rule says that "ELECTRICAL parts are limited in ...". Some of the most impressive devices I have seen at tournaments have been enviromentaly triggered devices.

        In fact, the Q&A at this location http://www.firstlegoleague.org/default.aspx?pid=14200
        explicitly makes them legal.

        -Skye


    5. Message by: Team454 10/03/2004 07:28:46 GMT
      Sorry about that. You're right. I confused the two answers. I thought the earlier "Pneumatics are OK" answer had been edited into the "Only these motors are OK" answer. Now that you pointed it out, I see that the Pneumatics answer is still there. Thanks


Discussion: How to start with pneumatics? By: RoboTechnos_2022 10/01/2004 03:10:16 GMT
Could someone recommend what to buy to get started with pneumatics? The lego store has one pneumatic set that is only available outside the US.

Thanks,
Terri

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/01/2004 03:10:16 GMT
    Some (expensive) sets have pneumatics built in. My son has a crane whose crane arm raises by pneumatics. If you just want to buy parts from bricklink (or other places) you will need a large or small pump, air tank, hose, valve, and a large or small cylinder.

    See:
    http://shop.lego.com/product.asp?p=8436&cn=48&d=11&t=5
    http://shop.lego.com/product.asp?p=8439&cn=48&d=11&t=5
    http://www.legoeducationstore.com/catalog.cfm?dest=dir&linkid=216&linkon=subsection

    -Skye


Discussion: How do Pmnumatics work By: biobots876405 10/14/2004 23:29:54 GMT
Can anyone tell me how Pmnumatics work?

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/14/2004 23:29:26 GMT
    Try
    http://www.howstuffworks.com
    -Skye


Discussion: wheels wont turn By: ManateeMindstormers4203 10/24/2004 00:31:59 GMT
our big wheels will not turn. We need desperate help. We try to make our robot turn with big wheels but it will not work. Does anyone have any suggestions for making the wheels turn?

  1. Message by: RoboManiacs 10/22/2004 21:26:50 GMT
    Do the motors turn if you take the wheels off?

    If they do, check that:
    1. any gears you have attached are meshing
    2. no pieces are keeping the wheels from turning

    If they do not, check that:
    1. replace the wires and retest
    2. the wires are connected to the proper terminals on the RCX
    3. the program calls for the terminals the wires are connected to
    4. Replace the motors and retest

    If this doesn't help, post again with more details. Good luck.

    RoboManiacs
    Team #9
    www.robomaniacs.org


    1. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/22/2004 21:27:49 GMT
      Have you read the book "Building LEGO Mindstorms Robots for FIRST LEGO League"?
      http://www.mission-creek.com/robotics/Docs/BLRforFLLV1.0.pdf

      Normaly I would suggest you visit the HightechKids website, but the links seem to be broken, and the site now requires a user account. How sad.

      -Skye


    2. Message by: See-More 1298 10/22/2004 21:49:33 GMT
      Do you have treads on four big wheels? The high level of friction will cause your wheels to "stick" and not turn. If you take the treads off, does it turn?
      Also check your axle pairings.
      Can you turn it by hand?

      Marie


    3. Message by: ManateeMindstormers4203 10/24/2004 00:11:39 GMT
      i dont mean that the wheels wont turn, i mean that since they are too big, they can not turn right. That is what i mean.


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/24/2004 00:31:59 GMT
        Perhaps you should try some smaller wheels?

        -Skye


Discussion: mat setup By: Paisley 02/28/2005 23:32:07 GMT
Can we leave some of the obstacles off of the mat? Such as the gate or the fence.

  1. Message by: thunderbolts11 02/28/2005 23:32:07 GMT
    No. You can not hand move anything on the mat. Your robot can move things that are not dura-locked onto the mat.

    Laura



Folder: Motors 11/22/2004 06:01:19 GMT


Discussion: Unmatched Motors By: Bot Docs 81 10/13/2004 19:08:10 GMT
Why do all Lego motors not turn at the same rate of speed?
Since navigation is so important it makes it very difficult for the teams to program a robot that will drive straight. One of our team members wrote a program to check the compatability of our 10 motors and the difference in the speed of each motor is unbelievable. Yes, I know you can change the power of each motor via programming but as your batteries' voltage decreases the power level required to keep the robot driving straight changes. Why would Lego penalize the teams in such a way?

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/11/2004 16:56:50 GMT
    LEGO certainly did not do it on purpose! It is very difficult to make two identical motors. Even the smallest variations in construction will change the behaviour of the motor. And even if you purchased two identical motors, by the time they get played with they will no longer be the same. It is my firm belief that just pushing a robot around by hand will change the performance of a motor.

    Since all teams have the same problem, it is part of the game. You need to learn ways to correct or minimize the problem. Find and read the FANTASTIC web document "Building LEGO Mindstorms robots for FIRST LEGO League". Search the web for other methods, and of course, brainstorm with the team.

    -Skye


    1. Message by: Country Breakfast 10/13/2004 17:57:05 GMT
      How can we find help as we try to use the rotation motor? Should we look in a particular book?


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/13/2004 18:02:21 GMT
        Rotation motor or sensor?

        Any book book on Mindstorms will have info on building with motors. Most will even talk about the rotation sensor. Some will do so using RIS, none will talk about RoboLab, and most will talk about the illegal NQC language.

        -Skye


      2. Message by: thunderbolts11 10/13/2004 19:07:52 GMT
        If you mean rotation sensors and you are using Robolab, this document has good samples. ROBOLAB Reference Guide 1.2

        http://www.ceeo.tufts.edu/robolabatceeo/Resources/documentation/default.asp

        Laura


Discussion: motors and how many! By: Robodogs 1 10/13/2004 16:45:03 GMT
I have questions!

1.How many motors are we allowed to use?
2.Can we put extra motors on our attachments?

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/11/2004 22:35:28 GMT
    Read the rules here for a list of materials allowed.
    http://www.firstlegoleague.org/default.aspx?pid=14150

    If you are talking electric motors, the answer is three. If you are talking other types of motors, there is no limit.

    There are no restrictions as to where you place the motors other than you must follow the rules at the above page.

    -Skye


    1. Message by: Saints Robotics 10/13/2004 16:35:45 GMT
      So if we have 4 attachments, each with it's own motor, only one attachment attached to the robot per mission ( sent out from base)are we OK or can we only bring 3 motors to the table at a time?


      1. Message by: RoboManiacs 10/13/2004 16:41:39 GMT
        To refresh:

        MATERIALS: The robot, its attachments, accessories, and all other Strategic Objects brought to a Match must be made entirely of LEGO elements in original factory condition.Electrical parts are limited in type and quantity to 1 RCX, 1 Rotation Sensor, 2 Touch Sensors, 2 Light Sensors, 3 Motors, 1 Lamp, and 6 AA batteries.Stickers, paint, tape, glue, oil, etc. are not allowed, except marker can be used for owner identification in hidden areas only.

        RoboManiacs
        Team #9
        www.robomaniacs.org


      2. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/13/2004 16:45:03 GMT
        That would be a big no. Only 3 motors total can be used during the 2+1/2 minute match.
        -Skye


Discussion: Motors - No Brakes By: BlueCheesyFlamingos952 11/01/2004 08:57:29 GMT
Hi,
Well I belive that the kids have broken the motors that came with the kit, they no longer have brakes. Has anyone else had this problem?

Also since I need to replace these motors where do I get them and which model are they exactly? And can someone also tell me where to get a replacement rotation sensor? Thanks a Ton! Carla :)

Blue Cheesy Flamingos 952
Coach

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/31/2004 02:05:55 GMT
    "No longer have brakes"? If the motor can go forwards and backwards then they must be able to brake. If they do not, it is not the motors, but the RCX that would be bad. Braking is simply putting a short accross the motor to have the electricity it generates when moving power the motor in reserve.

    PITSCO sells the 9 volt gear reduction motors. Try here:

    http://www.legoeducationstore.com/catalog.cfm?dest=itempg&itemid=13&secid=77&linkon=subsection&linkid=217

    -Skye


    1. Message by: Wildcats2263 10/31/2004 16:31:29 GMT
      You can also get a replacement rotation sensor at Pitsco, it's called an angle sensor, part number 979891. They were on backorder when I tried. Try Bricklink, but they were more expensive last time I checked. http://www.bricklink.com/index.asp
      Monica


    2. Message by: AtkinsonNH210 11/01/2004 08:57:29 GMT
      Are you aware of the "float" modifier on the Motor Stop command? In RIS, it's a checkbox on the command properties dialog. (There is also a similar property in Robolab). With this checked, power to the motors will be cut off, but they will continue to rotate via inertia until friction finally takes over. Unchecking this box will cause the motors to come to a complete and immediate stop (using the shorting method that Skye mentions above).

      - Scott


Discussion: Effect of Cold Temperatures on 9v Motors? By: blockium1674 11/22/2004 06:01:19 GMT
Our rookie team recently competed in a tournament and had the following experience we could use help understanding.

We finished practicing at 8 or 9 pm the night before tournament and loaded all our gear, including the robot, into my car since we had to leave early the next morning. As we loaded the car it was snowing and continued to snow through the night. The
next morning when we arrived at the tournament and went to practice, the robot would barely move. The kids kept saying the two 9-volt motors appeared to be seized. The robot barely turned through its moves the first match and by the 3rd match it seemed a little better, but still moving stiffly and having trouble making sharp turns. (Elapsed time about 4 hours from when we unpacked the car). At that point, we abandoned the malfunctioning robot and went with another we had as a backup. The robot sat in our team's pit until we packed it up and brought it home later that evening.

As I drove home, again in the snow, it occurred to me that perhaps the cold temperatures adversely affected the motors when they were in the car overnight and they needed several hours to warm up to work well. Anyway, we re-tried all the maneuvers that failed in the morning and they again worked just fine. Is there anyone who can confirm this hypothesis?

Could someone generally explain what effect having the 9-v motors outside overnight in the cold would have? Could this explain what happened above

Understandably, the team was horribly disappointed at the robot's behavior during our first 3 matches and I'd like to better understand the possible causes so we can avoid a repeat experience. And, we're getting ready for the State competition and want to be sure we understand exactly what went wrong today.

Also, would this have resulted in any permanent damage to the motors?

Thanks so much,

Kitty Reed
FLL Coach for Team #1674

  1. Message by: Mindstorms Mayhem #7 11/21/2004 13:54:14 GMT
    Kitty,

    I'm sorry to hear about your troubles in the tournament. I haven't heard of any troubles with the Lego motors working in the cold. The batteries, however, may be an issue. Cold batteries have a lot less power than warm ones. This is particularly the case for rechargeable NiCd or NiMH batteries, but it is still an issue for alkalines.

    I would think that it may be possible (although I would think it unlikely) that the clearance between some moving components within the motors themselves could be different in the cold, due to contraction of the components with lower temperatures. (I have no idea whether or not this is actually true, but it is potentially possible, particularly with components of dissimilar materials.) In any case, I highly doubt that being in the cold would have caused any permanent damage to the motors, but I have not tried using a bot with cold motors before. We keep the robots in the house the night before the tournament and wait to load the car until the morning.

    I think the cold batteries explanation is more likely, particularly if the team's robot requires a "lot of push" to move, as would be the case for a treaded bot or heavy wheeled bot.

    I hope the robot runs better for you at your State Tournament!

    --ken
    Coach, Mindstorms Mayhem


    1. Message by: ilsgreen2292 11/22/2004 06:01:19 GMT
      I couldn't vouch for sure whether cold temperatures affect motors, batteries, or both, but I can share an experience from our regional on a cold November day from last year. The gym used as the pit area opened to the outside through a lobby and was the main entrance to the tournament. However, in-and-out traffic for the teams had all of the doors open through most of the registration period. The end of the pit area nearest this door was cold (probably 55-60 F) throughout the beginning of the morning warm-up session, and robots just weren't behaving right in the morning -- until about 11 AM, when the inside to outside traffic reduced and the gym had a chance to warm back up again.

      This year, the same regional was 1) held on a warmer November day (for Wisconsin), 2) and fewer teams attended, which allowed 3) a gym dividing barrier to be lowered as an additional wall between the door and the pit area. Robot problems in the morning were greatly reduced.

      I advise bringing the robots inside from the cold. Everything else can stay packed in the car overnight, but bring the robots inside from the cold.

      Mark Beitz



Folder: Table Constructions 10/03/2004 02:11:23 GMT



Folder: portable table 11/08/2004 16:59:51 GMT
i am looking for plans for a portable playing field. our current table is very heavy and does not fit into the elevator of our school. has anyone out there come up with a portable table?

Discussion: Portable table design By: spacegirls544 11/08/2004 16:59:51 GMT
I just built a table that folds in half again this year. Basically, I used two 4'x4'x1/2" MDF boards, three 8' 2x4s, two 24" x 1" piano hinges, a lot of #5 1/2" screws, double sided tape (the secret to keeping the piano hinge in place while you screw it down), a few 2 1/2" #8 screws, and eight 3" #8 screws.

Predrill the holes to avoid splitting the wood, and it works pretty nicely.

Feel free to email me at paul@web2xml.com if you need any info or questions.

Paul Tan.

  1. Message by: 11/08/2004 16:59:51 GMT
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Discussion: Folding Mission Setup By: BlueCheesyFlamingos952 10/10/2004 16:44:53 GMT
I made one for my kids this year that consisted 2x4's that created just the boarder. All I did was cut the long ones in half and add hinges so they fold ; notch the ends of each of the boards so that the kids can quickly fit them together then drill holes down all four corner to place a 'locking pin' in them (actually they are very large screws for strength). Then all the kids have to do is roll the mat out in the middle of the border. Takes less than 3 minutes to setup.

This way the kids can move it and set it up by themselves. Plus it can be placed in a small car without taking up alot of space. Let me know if you want pictures and plans.

Carla :)
Blue Cheesy Flamingos

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/10/2004 16:44:53 GMT
    Interestingly there has been an extensive conversation anong the tournament partners on lightweight and folding tables. The conversation is still ongoing, but the worry of unstandard tables in competition was strong. Teams can get pretty upset if the table surface or inside walls have any seams that can catch and deflect a robot.

    I to have a folding table I use with my team. It solves the storage issue, but introduces the deadly seam. For practice use, they are great, but I would not suggest them for tournament use.

    -Skye


Discussion: Unofficial FLL Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) available By: fll-freak1328 10/01/2004 07:00:27 GMT
Fellow FLLer,

Please consider reading the Unofficial FLL FAQ before posting your
questions. The FAQ is the result of condensing the posting from
the previous two seasons. All the non-challenge specific questions
have likely already been answered. The FAQ has been updated for this
year's rule changes.

The FAQ was not authored by FIRST, but rather by coaches like you.

You can find the FAQ at:

http://www.fll-freak.com/faq

Skye Sweeney
Skye@fll-freak.com

  1. Message by: crt617 09/19/2004 18:34:01 GMT
    When you have finished building the board pieces are you supposed to have any leftover pieces or does this mean we did something wrong?


    1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/19/2004 19:22:22 GMT
      We have always had a few pieces left over! You can use those
      in your robot!

      -Skye


    2. Message by: Wildcats2263 09/19/2004 20:50:26 GMT
      After the kids built the field assemblies, we had more pieces left over than I was comfortable with. I found that most of them belonged somewhere. So, look over the models and make sure that they've been assembled correctly. I looked at the bill of materials, and if we were only supposed to have gotten one or two of a piece, and I still had one, I figured it probably hadn't been put together right. (Also make sure that you've built both red gates!) Then, if you still have a few left, don't worry about it. After all, extra pieces are better than missing pieces!
      Monica


    3. Message by: LegoManiacs2004 10/01/2004 07:00:27 GMT
      I am helping out with two teams at two different schools. With one team, when we were done, we had enough excess pieces to almost build another one of the gate pillars.

      With the other set we had exactly two extra pieces. Go figure!!!


Discussion: Attaching the light By: anonymous988 09/22/2004 17:07:32 GMT
Any suggestions about attaching the light to the table? We work in a lab where the table needs to be stored between meetings. If we bolt it on, the table becomes too unwieldy to move.

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/21/2004 22:36:26 GMT
    Perhaps bolt some sections of PVC pipe to the borber, and
    then use the mating PVC pipe to made the bracket to go up
    and over the table. You could then quickly disassemble the
    lights when you have to move it. Just make sure you use
    the clear plastic tubes that protect the bulbs.

    -Skye


    1. Message by: RoboManiacs 09/21/2004 22:39:15 GMT
      Another option is to use butterfly bolts which can easily be unscrewed when you need to store the table.

      RoboManiacs
      Team #9
      Team web site


      1. Message by: thunderbolts11 09/22/2004 17:05:36 GMT
        Another suggestion is to use the preformed metal table assembly parts that fit 2x4s. They are sold at Home Depot and Lowes and are less than a dollar. They mount to the table and provide a place to slide the 2x4 in. We have velcro behind the mount to hold the 2x4 in.

        We use this since we have to take the light fixture off each night also. We use chain to hold the light to hooks on the overhead.

        Laura


        1. Message by: thunderbolts11 09/22/2004 17:06:54 GMT
          Here is a picture of the bracket.
          Laura


Discussion: Inconsistent Instructions for Table Construction By: falcons1013 09/28/2004 17:33:34 GMT
We are a new team. When we got the 2004 Team manual we built a table per the instructions in Appendix A which said that the inside border had to be 45 +/-1/8 inch in width and 93 +/-1/8 inch in length. One of the coaches being an engineer built a table that was correct in each dimension.

However when the oversize mat arrived and was trimmed down per instructions it is still larger. The correct size for the mat, per the email correction is defined as 45 1/8 inches by 93 1/8 in which means our table being 45 x 93 per the above is too small.

Obviously this is easy to fix by moving two of the borders but inconsistent use of dimensions and tolerancing is not a good example for the children we are trying to teach. If the mat is going to be 45 1/8 by 93 1/8 then the table dimensions and tolerancing are incorrect.

Gary Spiers
Coach falcons1013

  1. Message by: SharonB 09/25/2004 21:00:57 GMT
    Make the board correct, trim the mat to fit. If 1/8 inch is your problem, you don't have a problem. Or, I should say, you ain't seen nothin' yet!


    1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/25/2004 21:14:37 GMT
      I think Jack is referring to the fact that many tables will
      be made just days before and will be of vastly varying
      quality. Huge splinters, gouges in the side walls, warped
      plywood or edges are all par for the course. The fact that
      your table is just 1/8 off, is a tiny variation compared
      to what you are likely to see.

      -Skye


    2. Message by: lindenlights3843 09/27/2004 19:46:38 GMT
      I am overseeing the making of a new table. I checked some things out at my local Home Depot. I see that luan has some imperfections in it. What about using hardboard (pegboard without the holes)for the base instead? Does anybody know which is lighter?


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/27/2004 19:51:01 GMT
        My favorite material is MDO plywood. It is not light, but it has this paper/plastic face that makes it glass smooth.
        It is used mostly by sign makers and was not available at my Home Depot but was at my local ACE lumber yard.

        -Skye


    3. Message by: MA FLL Volunteer Moderator 09/28/2004 04:48:21 GMT
      Hi Folks,
      The question of how to trim the mat may need to be specified by FLL. I may be wrong, but I believe the mats should be trimmed exactly as they would be at the national tournament, so that everyone starts out at the same place at home base, I would thinks that if you positioned home base at a specified lacation and trim the mat accordingly the size will be consistent at all tournaments. I don't think adjusting the size of the table is a good idea.
      Bill


      1. Message by: SharonB 09/28/2004 17:33:34 GMT
        Precisely how to trim the mat IS provided in the Q&A of September 15 "Mat Size".


Discussion: Paint for Border By: spiders1505 09/28/2004 02:10:51 GMT
Just wondering if the paint used for the table border can be "glossy" or should we use "flat" paint? We already have glossy, but we are a new team and arent' sure if it will affect the light sensor. Thanks!

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/28/2004 02:10:51 GMT
    This issue is covered in the FAQ at www.fll-freak.com/faq
    The upshot is that there is no spec. Every table around the world might be different. And yes, it might make a difference.
    -Skye


Discussion: Floor Mat Tear By: Six Guys and a Robot1118 09/28/2004 22:31:03 GMT
The plastic cover from our overhead fluorescent light fell off and punctured the floor mat in two spots. One is covered by the stairs. The other is 1/4" long and is located to the right of the path just in front of the stairs. Will we need to purchase a new mat or is this less critical than I think? Should we try to fix the tear?

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/28/2004 22:31:03 GMT
    Two things come to mind.

    1) The specs for the table do not call for a diffuser, so do not bother to put it back on!

    2) A nasty mat with bumps and tears may force your team to be more tolerant of non perfect environments (just like the ones at competition!).

    I would first smooth out the tear with gentle heat from an iron (lowest setting). I would then cover it with packing tape. This trully is a mixed blessing.

    -Skye



Folder: Table Setup 12/01/2004 17:45:55 GMT



Folder: Dining table constructon 10/12/2004 13:37:59 GMT
We lost our field building CD before we built the dinig table. Can anyone help us with a new copy or just the directions for the table? Pictures of the table during construction would also work since it doesn't look complicated. We are located in CT.

Discussion: Pictures of table setup By: fll-freak1328 09/17/2004 15:50:51 GMT
You can find pictures of a typical table setup at:
http://www.fll-freak.com/2004/2004_table_setup.htm

-Skye

  1. Message by: Pennichuck1376 09/14/2004 19:33:02 GMT
    Skye - thanks for the pictures - you are way ahead of us, we haven't had our first meeting yet. Some questions ....

    I didn't see any locktight instructions anywhere, where did you find them? Is the CD holder fastened to the mat? Also, how does the gate open? Does it swing open away from the animals?

    -- Paul


    1. Message by: thunderbolts11 09/14/2004 19:43:09 GMT
      You will have to wait for 12:00 tomorrow. The instructions are with the rest of the Challenge Kickoff material.
      Laura


    2. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/14/2004 20:13:29 GMT
      I guessed! It was rather apparent to me that the squares
      with an X represented Dual-Lock. I also guessed on the
      flag setup and gate direction. If I am wrong, I will have
      to update the pictures! We will all get to find out on
      Sept 15.

      -Skye


      1. Message by: bluewizards20 09/16/2004 01:51:45 GMT
        Did you have enough dual locks? I came up short.

        Dennis
        Blue Wizards


        1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/16/2004 02:56:09 GMT
          Not sure. I purposely do not use all the Dual-Lock they give us. I make the setup "fragile" to force the kids to not rely on the models to stop a robot. As an example I only used 4 pairs for the gate rather than the 8.

          -Skye


          1. Message by: bluewizards20 09/16/2004 03:15:19 GMT
            That is a good idea. The table hardly needs 8 pairs of dual locks to keep the animals in place. If you follow their recommendations, you will run out.

            Dennis


    3. Message by: RoboTroopers 09/17/2004 15:01:40 GMT
      I have not yet received my board pieces. Can anyone tell us the width of the stairs and the length and width of the top platform of the stairs.


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/17/2004 15:35:24 GMT
        RoboTroopers,
        I will try to get this information for you over the weekend
        if somebody does not beat me to it.

        PS: Please only post your question once in the most
        appropriate place. Once you learn to use the message center,
        you will see all new messages. Having multiple postings just
        clutters up the forum.

        -Skye Sweeney


        1. Message by: thunderbolts11 09/17/2004 15:50:51 GMT
          The Sharron Eagles have the table pieces on their web site such that you can see the size. Here is a direct link to their picture. its 6x12 plates in 4x2 set.
          http://syraweb.home.comcast.net/images/stairs%20800x600.jpg

          or their main site:
          http://syraweb.home.comcast.net/photogallery2004challenge.htm


Discussion: Basket set up By: irken invaders 12/01/2004 17:45:55 GMT
Should the basket holder be placed such that it is centered at the 46.5 inch mark of the border? The drawing with the instructions looks like one end of it is placed at the center mark.

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/15/2004 22:35:19 GMT
    The field setup instructions on the web are fairly detailed on this topic.

    http://www.firstlegoleague.org/default.aspx?pid=14160

    -Skye


    1. Message by: irken invaders 09/16/2004 12:40:56 GMT
      Hi Skye:

      Great to "talk" with you again this year...

      My concern about the basket set up is that the diagram shows the support piece end being set up so that its right end (as you stand at the flags) is even with the mid-point (46.5 inches). However, there is that arrow pointing at "Centered." If that refers to the basketball court then our mat is way off as the centered basketball layout is farther to the right. I locked the support piece with it ccentered at the 46.5 inch martk and have wound up with a set up that matches the photo you published in the table setup section.

      I hope I'm explaining my concern correctly. My table does seem to match the one pictured but I just want it to be right for the team.

      Coach Mark (3rd year)


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/16/2004 12:48:26 GMT
        Mark,
        The key is the basket must be perfectly centered on the length of the table. That way with back to back tables at
        a competition the basket is in the same relative location
        for both teams. What you should NOT do is center it on the
        basketball court printed on the mat. Hope this helps.

        -Skye


    2. Message by: irken invaders 09/16/2004 13:47:57 GMT
      Thanks, Skye. That explains it much better.

      Coach Mark


    3. Message by: oxfordtech1704 09/20/2004 02:34:06 GMT
      The picture of the basket on the mission part shows it centered in the key of the basketball court??? Is that correct??

      Joe (coach)


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/20/2004 03:07:50 GMT
        Read the table setup instructions carefully. They will tell
        you how to set up the basket.

        http://www.firstlegoleague.org/default.aspx?pid=14160

        -Skye


    4. Message by: oxfordtech1704 09/21/2004 02:25:48 GMT
      I can't see how the directions are correct. In the graphic is shows one end of the holder at the midpoint mark. If this is correct it means that one side of the table would be different than the other. It seems that the holder should be centered on the "center mark" of 46.5"

      Joe
      (coach)


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/21/2004 02:51:17 GMT
        The verbal directions are ok, and the picture a little
        confusing. The instruction say to DualLock the holder at
        "that midpoint". That means the midpoint of the holder and
        the midpoint of the back wall should be lined up. The
        picture would seem to show that the vertical measurement
        line hitting the far edge of the holder. But I do beleive
        that a carefull examination shows the witness line extending
        down into the holder at its midpoint.

        Regardless of the picture, the basket MUST be centered on
        the back wall. If not, it would cause massive confusion!

        -Skye


        1. Message by: RoboManiacs 09/21/2004 21:19:13 GMT
          Not unlike what we are experiencing in the forum right now!!!! :)

          RoboManiacs
          Team #9
          Team web site


    5. Message by: See-More 1298 09/21/2004 22:39:47 GMT
      Part of the confusion may be in setting up the basket with only one table. We have two tables set-up tournament style. The basket ball courts do NOT line up. So the basket cannot be centered by the mat markings, thus the need to the measurements off the table itself. However, even with the basket slightly off-center in respect to the mat, the shift is identical on both sides of the table. (Not sure I'm stating this very clearly!)

      Marie


    6. Message by: fbi494 09/27/2004 20:19:24 GMT
      Does anyone have a clear picture of how the basket sits on the basket holder..."Place the Basket on the Basket Holder, making sure it*s trapped between the little orange cones." Those orange cones do not line up as well as we expected with anything on the basket and wanted to make sure the team built it correctly... if a robot hits the basket, it seems to move around easier then expected. Thanks


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/27/2004 20:30:53 GMT
        Is this clear enough? The little orange pegs sit to the sides of the black frame work under the basket.

        http://home.comcast.net/~fll-freak/2004/2004_table_setup.htm

        -Skye


    7. Message by: roboknights 11/30/2004 20:07:08 GMT
      So far I have been to two different tournaments that had the basket set up differently, and neither one conformed to the instructions. At the first tournament, the basket was centered on one court which meant that it was off center (toward the base) by about an inch on the opposing table. I brought this up to the head judge before the tournament and was told that the tables were measured and were fine(which they were not). At the second tournament, they actually offset the tables by an inch or so to make to lanes of the basketball court line up and then centered the basket.


      1. Message by: SMART 1 11/30/2004 20:59:39 GMT
        You know - we hear over and over again on the forum how inexperienced volunteers are recruited to make the tables the day before the competitions. Perhaps First should take that into account when creating the tables and instructions.

        To someone who hasn't _carefully_ read the setup instructions and seen pictures it looks wrong for the hoop not to be centered on the court lines.

        At our recent qualifier they got the positions right, but there were assistant refs at the table to help put the tables right and I noticed a couple of them trying to "center" the hoop after the rounds before the head ref corrected them.

        I'm trying to think how centering the court lines and the hoop on the table design would have made a difference qualitatively in the mission and I'm stumped if I can figure out a reason why the court lines aren't centered along with the hoop.

        - Peter


        1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/30/2004 21:17:50 GMT
          Peter,

          Just be glad that we have LEGO field elements and plastic mats. In the "good old days" you had to build all the doodads out of lumber. One year (Volcanic Panic) a coach had to make a cone shaped volcano out of wood with a solenoid operated marble dispenser in the crater! Talk about differences in fields!

          Personaly, I think FIRST is doing a fantastic job. Each year the program gets better as they learn from previous year problems. Considering that all the tournaments are volunteer events, the consistancy is very high.

          Although consistency is nice, having a SMALL change to overcome on the day of the tournament is kind of fun! I am sure it is a nasty surprise for a rookie team, but for a veteran team, it adds a little spice!

          It is a true engineering situation. You built the thing according to spec, but it still does not fit! So what are we going to do? Too late to complain to the customer! Anybody got a file?

          -Skye


      2. Message by: Mindstorms Mayhem #7 11/30/2004 21:25:48 GMT
        A few comments:

        With this being the third year for the team I coach, one of the things that the students (and coach) have learned is that table variation is to be expected from table to table and tournament to tournament, despite the best efforts of tournament volunteers. I agree that tables should be as uniform as possible from tournament to tournament.

        That said, the Mayhem team has learned that some level of variation is almost impossible to avoid. Also, the kinds of variation that are likely to be seen can be anticipated! When some sort of variation can be reasonably expected, the team should design a solution to that mission that can accomodate that sort of variation! I can give a few examples of what I mean from past challenges.

        In the CitySights 2002 challenge, the team had a very cool, quick way to flip down the bridge. However, they found at the State Tournament that their mechanism which worked 100% of the time with the bridge placed *exactly* on the dual-lock squares would fail about 50% of the time if the bridge were placed about 2mm off in the wrong direction, and fail all the time if the bridge were as much as 4mm off. They were fortunate in the NH Finals to not run on a table which had a slightly misplaced bridge. Note that a 2mm error in placement is within what I would consider "human error" and is about the best one can reasonably expect. In years since then, the team has learned to not rely on perfect placement of dual-locked components. Indeed, during "practice trials" of the robot, they actually test missions with the models not only in their correct positions, but also with the models misplaced slightly in various likely misplacements.

        Another area for potential misplacement is alignment of the table mat with the table walls. Depending on how the table mat is trimmed, how the borders are built, etc., there can easily be up to a 5mm varation, and even as much as 1-2cm variation with a poorly constructed table or poorly trimmed mat. On last year's Mission Mars challenge, the team came up with solutions that can tolerate some mat placement variation when following walls or using walls for alignment. The team was fortunate last year when preparing for the International Tournament to enter a local tournament in February that actually had EIGHT tournament tables. The team stayed late after that practice tournament to run on all 8 tables to find out how the robot might fail with different tables. They documented the problems, and then worked on fixing the robot to work in spite of those problems before the international tournament. This year, they have been careful to think about what would go wrong if the wall were 1cm too close, or too far away, etc. They have attempted to design mission solutions that can accomodate that level of variation from table to table.

        With this year's challenge, it was obvious from the time when the challenge was announced that there would be significant variation in the placement of the basket. Accordingly, the team tests out their basket missions with the basket placed not only in the correct spot, but also misplaced as much as 2 inches in either direction. A good solution to the basket mission will work for all these cases.

        Yes, the team has had to do a lot more work to deal with these expected variations. However, I am sure that the students have learned a lot more about fault tolerance and planning robotic solutions that can deal with expected variation. This is exactly what real robotics engineers need to do.

        That said, yes, I do think the tables should always be correct, and should be fixed if they are out of spec. However, a team is wise to try to accomodate as much expected variation as possible. Generally, this approach also has the side-effect of making the "perfect case" situations more reliable.

        Just my two cents.

        --ken
        Coach, Mindstorms Mayhem


        1. Message by: SMART 1 11/30/2004 22:37:40 GMT
          I agree with most of you and Skye's points regarding human error. I am a fourth year coach/mentor so of course I understand that no two tables will be exactly alike.

          But I won't agree that it's OK to design the field to invite human error. If there is a way to design the field to make it easier for tournament organizers to build it consistently why wouldn't FIRST want to do that? I would go further and say that it is obvious that FIRST _does_ want to do that given that they went to standardized tables, mats, lights, etc. since Volcanic panic. My post was merely a suggestion to further that goal - not a suggestion that all tables must be identical.

          So far this year, our team has seen the bus stop flag holders coming off at an angle from the table due to warped wood, inconsistent light values due to use of spotlights rather than shop lights, "peculiar" basket ball hoops where the holder wasn't on the matt, or the bottom was misshapen, etc. so we've encountered our share of challenges and worked to overcome them without complaint.

          To any rookie teams "listening in" - definitely be aware that planning for a certain amount of inconsistency is part of the game. This includes both engineering tolerance as well as "defensive" programming. Anything that seemed tricky for you to build when you were putting the table together will certainly be tricky for the volunteers to put together consistently as well!

          Happy hunting.

          - Peter


    8. Message by: thunderbolts11 12/01/2004 16:41:51 GMT
      Last year was our second season, after doing well in our first season and then having the robot come apart because of a table anomaly, our team decided that would not happen to us or anyone else again (as long as we were around!) So we have made it a point to volunteer our kids and parents to build and tweak the playing fields.

      Before each tournament, we ask the director if they need anyone to help build the tables and if they need help on setup day. They always say yes. At one tournament last year, we got there at 3pm with 10 kids and 10 adults, set up the pits and the tables only to see the tables were made out of the cheapest plywood on the market. There were knots that went 1/4 inch down and some that were the opposite, they were oozing sap out the top. 3 parents and 2 kids repaired the boards that night by putting bathroom board over the plywood. The teams were very happy the next day.

      Its ok to complain that the world is not exactly the same everywhere, but I think its better to try to fix what you can and deal with the rest.

      Laura


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 12/01/2004 16:49:09 GMT
        Well said.

        My father's two favorite sayings:
        1) Results not excuses
        2) You can't complain unless you have a solution.

        -Skye


        1. Message by: SharonB 12/01/2004 17:07:37 GMT
          Hey! My father's favorite saying:
          i Trust no one, assume nothing.


      2. Message by: SMART 1 12/01/2004 17:28:13 GMT
        Bravo, great idea!

        Perhaps most impressive is that your team felt so well prepared for the competition that they were willing to give up time the day before the competition to help out.

        - Peter


        1. Message by: thunderbolts11 12/01/2004 17:45:55 GMT
          Well, that is part of their preparation. We never practice the day before a tournament. It gives the kids a chance to settle down. Kids are not at all like grown ups. I've found that a hard practice the day before a tournament cause major anxiety the day of the tournament. Sometime we meet and play football or something. The exercise and working at setup gets them tired so it makes them more comfortable that night so they can go to sleep easier.

          Of course, this is one team and one coach. But its our secret :-)

          Laura


Discussion: Mat Trimming By: blockheads1950 10/05/2004 23:06:11 GMT
Please help us clear some confusion we have so we can properly trim out mat. The instructions refer to North, South, East and West directions but don't clearly define.

There are the words bus on the mat. Are these on the South edge of the board?

Is the computer desk on the North West end of the board?

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/16/2004 20:16:58 GMT
    The Q&A has a description that does not include compass
    directions! Try this link:

    http://www.firstlegoleague.org/default.aspx?pid=14200

    -Skye


    1. Message by: blockheads1950 09/16/2004 22:57:57 GMT
      Thanks, that helps. The Q&A I have didn't have that question answered yet. It did have one about the bus signs that I don't see on your link. Are there two sets of Q&A?

      I have also talked to several at our meeting and if we had to quess that is what we would have done. We feel much better with your help.


      1. Message by: The Fidgeteers-72 09/17/2004 22:39:35 GMT
        The Q&A will change over time as Scott Evans adds stuff. So check back frequently.

        Courtney


    2. Message by: clippers2585 10/05/2004 20:53:20 GMT
      I just want to make sure we trim our mat correctly.....Is the side that is considered the 'bottom of the base' the same side that has the boxes that say 'bus' on it.
      Thanks


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/05/2004 21:12:11 GMT
        Yes, the bottom is the bus lane, the left is by the glasses, the right over by the gate, and the "EvansBall" hoop is the top.
        -Skye


    3. Message by: Wildcats2263 10/05/2004 22:01:33 GMT
      Wow. I interpreted that differently. I assumed bottom was where the kids stand at the narrow end of the table. Also because you can't measure a consistent border along the bus side due to the thickness of the black changing. Now that I think about it, the words are oriented one way, so that also makes sense as bottom. And it seemed clear before.
      Monica


    4. Message by: Wildcats2263 10/05/2004 23:06:11 GMT
      Got the following from Scott:

      The BUS side is bottom (as one would usually consider the orientation of a page based on how it is held for reading).

      If yours drifts/tapers a little, shoot for making the side of the bottom 3/8" (near base) and make the right side of the bottom 1-3/4" (near the BUS signs).

      While you work, remember that overcutting a little is okay. When we say that the left border is supposed to be 1/4" thick, what really matters is that the inner edge of the border ends up being 1/4" from the wall. If you overcut and there's a little wood showing, that's fine.

      Monica


Discussion: Gate swing By: Tweeters177 09/20/2004 03:09:09 GMT
The kids successfully set up the gate with the hinges on the right side and the gate swing toward the robot. I believe this cannot be right and I have had them remake it with the gate swinging away from the robot. Unfortunately, I cannot find any information to substantiate my theory. Could anyone please clarify? Thanks.

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/20/2004 03:09:09 GMT
    Your team had it right the first time. The gate opens
    towards the robot and away from the red patio. If you
    follow the instructions on the CD you will make it the
    right way.

    -Skye


Discussion: Dual Lock By: Southbrook Lego Troopers 10/22/2004 05:11:40 GMT
Our team kit did not have enough Dual lock, how do I get more so that I can secure all of the parts

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/22/2004 04:05:53 GMT
    Read the Q+A page. They tell you what to do!

    -Skye


    1. Message by: Hellas Little Angels Team 91 09/22/2004 17:23:24 GMT
      Take some off of your stair case, leaving six pairs. I also used less on the fence, making it more fragle, that way the kids will stay away from it. That should help you get a few more.


    2. Message by: IAFLLModerator 09/22/2004 19:06:06 GMT
      Here is that posting in the Q&A:
      Q: We followed the Field Setup instructions closely on the use of squares, but ended up having no Dual Lock left for the custom pieces mentioned. Did we do something wrong?

      A: No, that's our error. To free up some Dual Lock, steal 6 pairs of squares from the stairs (leaving a pair at each corner), steal 2 pairs diagonally from each pet, and steal 4 pairs from the Basket Holder. If you still need more after that, an adequate but less friendly substitute is "2-Sided Foam Tape" available at hardware stores


    3. Message by: LegoManiacs2004 10/22/2004 05:11:40 GMT
      Dual lock is also available at your friendly neighborhood Radio Shack. I would think you would not want to use foam tape. It would be rather permanent would it not?


Discussion: table map By: supernerds2273 11/11/2004 17:38:41 GMT
On the map of the park area or what ever there is a pond behind the stairs what are the rules on that???

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/22/2004 16:54:41 GMT
    Since there are no rules specific to the pond, you can
    treat it like any other area.

    -Skye


    1. Message by: Tweeters177 11/08/2004 00:27:59 GMT
      our mat didn't have some lines and this might be important.
      we tried to complete the lines with a sharpie but its reading was about 46-48 about the reading of the green.
      the thin black, which is what the sharpie is representing is about 40-45
      did anyone else have this problem and how/did you find a solution for it?
      do you think they can give us some new mats or could they have a seperate board for those teams with the wrong kind of mats?


    2. Message by: LaSalle278.280 11/11/2004 17:37:52 GMT
      It is unlikely that they will have separate mats. As always, you need to adjust your light values when you get to the tournament. The light values will vary due to ambient light from other sources. You can minimize this by shielding the light sensor so it is very dark and only gets light bouncing back from the LED of the sensor. For this reason, it is a good ideal to use a variable or constant to represent the values and not rely on placing the specific value in each piece of code. In all tournaments you are allowed a specific time to take light readings at the tournament tables before the competition. We have found in the past that sometimes the value will change once the competition starts as not all the lights were on during the setup phase. This is just some of the challenges you face at the competition and everyone is faced with the same challenge. There are several options for addressing this issue. Good luck

      Dave Kolberg
      Coach 278 & 280


Discussion: Bus Signs By: bluewizards20 11/02/2004 21:16:35 GMT
Does anyone a close-up picture of the bus signs? It seems that only the sign holders should be dual locked so that they can be move around easily as per the challenge.

Dennis
Blue Wizards

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/16/2004 03:56:41 GMT
    Dennis,
    The instructions seem to indicate that dual lock should be used on the flag as well as the little toogle piece. I did not set my table up this way. I only used dual lock on the toggle.

    Since a team can fail to get its bus points if they rip off the flags, it is beneficial to make them more fragile. The team will then not rely on that strength for strategy.

    -Skye


    1. Message by: bluewizards20 09/16/2004 14:37:28 GMT
      Skye,

      I think you are right on the mark. This is the way we setup our table as well.

      Good luck this year!

      Dennis


    2. Message by: Techmoetronics 10/22/2004 20:49:30 GMT
      Our team can not figure out how to mount the bus signs with the sign holders. Also what do the rules mean by "deflect the white bus sign?" Please reply. Thanks.


      1. Message by: The Somethings 3626 10/23/2004 20:27:27 GMT
        I can't figure that out either.

        Good luck!


      2. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/23/2004 20:59:20 GMT
        You need to read this document:

        http://www.firstlegoleague.org/default.aspx?pid=14160

        It will tell you how to Dual-Lock the little toggle to the top of the border and how the sign holder then locks in place.

        -Skye


      3. Message by: AZK3535 11/02/2004 21:16:35 GMT
        Deflect means in this case to push down


    3. Message by: 10/23/2004 20:28:20 GMT
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Discussion: Stair construction By: RoboTroopers 10/21/2004 21:17:59 GMT
I have not yet received my board pieces. Can anyone tell us the width of the stairs and the length and width of the top platform of the stairs.

  1. Message by: Yellow Brick Roaders 2081 09/17/2004 17:42:14 GMT
    The stairs are 7 1/2" wide (24 dots). The two lower platforms are 3 1/8" long (10 dots). The upper platform is 7 1/2" long (24 dots--the upper platform is square). The height between platforms is 5/8" (1 brick plus 1 plate). The railing at the back of the upper platform is 1/4" in diameter, ending 2" above the surface. The railing is past the end of the platform (cantilevered out about 1/4".


    1. Message by: RoboTroopers 09/17/2004 18:59:02 GMT
      Thanks for the help Yellow Brick Road.


    2. Message by: Flashes271 10/21/2004 19:00:02 GMT
      how long are the stairs suppose to be if you know please email me at student24499@hotmail.com


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/21/2004 21:17:59 GMT
        The stairs are as long as they end up being when you make them according to the directions on the CD in your field/challenge kit. Have you lost the disk? Have you not gotten your kit yet?

        -Skye


Discussion: Recommended Sites for Lego Purchases By: BlueCheesyFlamingos952 10/10/2004 02:57:47 GMT
Are there a couple websites that someone can recommend that we can purchase individual lego pieces?...my team is looking for a couple pieces that are not in the standard set. Thanks!! Carla :)

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/27/2004 23:37:53 GMT
    www.bricklink.com

    Lots of stores, lots of choice, gazillions of parts.

    -Skye


    1. Message by: Wildcats2263 09/27/2004 23:52:38 GMT
      Try http://www.legoeducationstore.com/. Not as much variety as bricklink, but I've found better prices on things still in production.
      Monica


    2. Message by: RoboDocs 09/29/2004 08:26:32 GMT
      Peeron is another great resource. If you're looking for parts this is a great place to start. They have a large database of almost every LEGO part and you can search by type, color, set, and other ways. Also, they link to stores where you can buy the parts and show you the price by store. One thing I really like about Peeron is that they tell you what sets contain a specific part (and how many are in the set). If you're looking for a bunch of parts sometimes it's cheaper to buy the sets.

      By the way, I've purchased from Bricklink sellers as well as LEGO Education - both are great.

      Happy hunting (and buying).

      =Steve
      Hacienda Robotics


    3. Message by: thunderbolts11 09/29/2004 16:03:54 GMT
      Walmart. OK, its not that classy, but they have all the motor madness sets on 50% off. That is less than the price of a motor and you get other cool stuff. The motor in the motor madness set is really nice as it has a female axle connection. Thus you can run any size output.

      Laura.. tired of hurricanes


      1. Message by: LaSalle278.280 09/29/2004 21:37:34 GMT
        Careful, we are only allowed to use the motor that came with the set, not another type.
        From Q&A Other Electric Parts
        Q: There are alternatives to the standard motors and sensors out there. Are any of these allowed?

        A: No. You must use the motors and sensors that come in the standard FLL Robot Set. Normally when we're not specific about something, it's open, but this is not.

        Dave Kolberg
        Coach 278 & 280


        1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/29/2004 21:50:31 GMT
          I was perplexed by this Q&A as it seems to have come out of the blue. It had always simply been 3 LEGO motors in factory original condition. So off went an email asking for confirmation on a Q&A question!

          I just got an email from FIRST indicating that only the 9 volt gear reduction motor as supplied with a Mindstorms kit are allowed. I will update the UFAQ to reflect this.

          I believe that I have heard of teams in the past using the other electric motors like the micromotor. Any veterans out there actually such a bot?

          -Skye


          1. Message by: SharonB 09/30/2004 04:16:36 GMT
            No, I never saw anything other than the Gear Motor in use.


      2. Message by: thunderbolts11 09/30/2004 15:45:46 GMT
        An update on the motors in the I&A says you can't use the nice motors from the motor madness sets :-( Oh well. Back to the design team.
        Laura


        1. Message by: RoboDocs 10/10/2004 02:49:11 GMT
          That's too bad that the motor madness motors are not allowed. Another thing I like about them (in addition to the axle connector that Laura already mentioned) is that they have a perfectly flat bottom so they're a bit easier to mount on a robot. They run a bit faster than the standard motors which means they are a bit noisier and use up more juice but it's still a really nice design.

          =Steve


          1. Message by: RoboDocs 10/10/2004 02:57:47 GMT
            Forgot to mention in my last post that shop.lego.com is having a half price sale on the Wild Wind-up set. For $12.50 you get a wind up motor you *can* use in the competition, a neat T gearbox and lots of other pieces. Peeron has the complete inventory of this set.

            =Steve


Discussion: Strings and RubberBands By: BlueCheesyFlamingos952 09/30/2004 08:27:20 GMT
I was looking at http://www.legoeducationstore.com/ for lego parts and saw that they sell strings and rubberbands...are these legal since they are offical LEGO products? Sorry for such a trivial questions but I dont' want my kids in trouble at the competition if these items are not ok. Thanks!! Carla :)

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/28/2004 20:46:09 GMT
    Normaly I would sent you off to read the FAQ at
    www.fll-freak.com. But the web page is off the air for
    the next few hours. So, you get a custom answer.
    Yes, the LEGO rubber bands (more like belts) and string
    are legal. You may even cut the LEGO string to length.

    -Skye


    1. Message by: TX FLL Volunteer Moderator 09/30/2004 08:27:20 GMT
      LEGO String it ok to use, we did use that one year.


Discussion: Removing RIS and ROBOLAB programs and starting over By: rustyengineers155 10/03/2004 22:33:31 GMT
I have a new laptop and can't get it to recognize the USB tower. I have attempted to remove everything and try again, but still think there is something preventing the tower from being recognized.
Any advice?

  1. Message by: rustyengineers155 10/03/2004 22:33:31 GMT
    Fixed it -- apparently hyper-threading laptops have an issue with the tower. Found the solution under FAQ on the lego website and it worked.


Discussion: Need field kit By: handycapables1343 11/08/2004 19:06:20 GMT
Anybody know where my team can get a field kit? We have'nt recied one yet.

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/06/2004 22:46:15 GMT
    Did you purchase the field kit during the registration process? If you have not gotten it, a call to PITSCO would be in order. I was under the assumption that all teams that ordered a field kit should have had it by now.

    -Skye


    1. Message by: 11/08/2004 16:57:22 GMT
      Deleted


      1. Message by: SMART 1 11/08/2004 17:42:42 GMT
        I wonder if you realize that these forums are archived for a number of years.

        Do you really want everyone remembering your team as the team that insults people on the forum?


    2. Message by: fsa3847 11/08/2004 18:02:31 GMT
      I apologize on behalf of my team. I will make sure that they won't write unappropriate words again.


      1. Message by: SMART 1 11/08/2004 19:06:20 GMT
        Middle schoolers are so used to IM and chat. I think we all need to help them understand the difference between public and private communication styles.

        Good luck to your team.

        - Peter


Discussion: Bus Signs - Is just the flag switched and not the base or toggle By: CrazyBots103 12/22/2004 03:14:01 GMT
Reading the instructions for setting up the table, it shows putting dual lock on the base of the flags as well as the table. Does this mean that when switching the flags around during a tournament they will take just the flag off (which is easy to do) and leave the bases where they start out. So that you might end up with the white flag on a black base? Or is the purpose of the dual lock on the base just to make it sturdier? Or are we just reading way to much into this?

  1. Message by: RoboManiacs 10/07/2004 19:37:21 GMT
    During tournaments, the flags and bases will be moved. The white flag will always stay with the white base.

    RoboManiacs
    Team #9
    www.robomaniacs.org


    1. Message by: DSI 12/22/2004 01:14:11 GMT
      will we get points for the white flag being only halfway down.


      1. Message by: The Fidgeteers-72 12/22/2004 03:14:01 GMT
        Yes, deflected means moved any amount that can be noticed.

        Courtney


Discussion: ROBOT ATTACHMENTS By: raiders185 01/26/2005 23:10:04 GMT
Are attachments to the robot (like an arm) considered part of the robot? For example: if a 'bot has a long arm and the arm crosses into base after a misson, is the bot considered in base? Or, if when leaving base to begin a mission, the attached arm is out but the main bot is in, is the bot considered out of base?

HMS Raiders #185

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/22/2004 01:05:34 GMT
    From the Q&A:

    i Q: What is the robot defined as this year? Is it everything touching the robot? Is it the RCX?

    i A: Sorry, in effort to simplify the rules, that baby went out with the bath water! The new definition of the robot is "the RCX and anything built onto it, and anything being moved by same".

    So yes, an arm is considered part of the robot. If part of it enters into the base volume, then the robot is in. But the opposite is true as well. All of your robot must be inside the base at the start. And do not forget the 16 inch ceilling!

    -Skye


    1. Message by: raiders185 10/22/2004 01:23:06 GMT
      Thanks for confirming our thoughts...we knew we could count on you!!! :)

      Raiders #185


    2. Message by: BrickBots467 11/04/2004 22:52:44 GMT
      We know you can switch pieces on the robot between "runs", but does anyone know if we can literally switch the RCX to a whole different chassis/robot when we come back to base during the same round???


      1. Message by: RoboManiacs 11/04/2004 23:15:16 GMT
        NO, you can not. The allowable parts run only allows one RCX per match to be brought to the table.

        RoboManiacs
        Team #9
        www.robomaniacs.org


        1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/05/2004 02:08:57 GMT
          Robomanics,

          I think the wording was could they move their one RCX to another platform. If their wording is accurate, it would be legal (as long as they use only a grand total of 3 motors, 2 touch, ...)

          If we only learn one thing from FLL is that small wording changes can have use consequences!

          -Skye


          1. Message by: RoboManiacs 11/05/2004 16:53:13 GMT
            Skye,

            I think your right. I guess we also learn not to answer questions hastilly.

            RoboManiacs
            Team #9
            www.robomaniacs.org


    3. Message by: Wildcats2263 11/04/2004 23:03:33 GMT
      As long as your total count of motors and sensors doesn't exceed the maximum, you can. Look at the Materials section in the rules to be sure you're not exceeding any part limits.
      Monica


    4. Message by: mammoth749 11/05/2004 01:34:44 GMT
      How do you attach/build arms?-from mammoth749


    5. Message by: SandersTigers203 01/26/2005 23:10:04 GMT
      I think that you have a good point of view I also think of it like this if you had a bionic arm or leg would it still be apart of you ,but anyway yes it would be considered apart of the robot.


Discussion: Past items By: robowarriors1946 10/22/2004 20:19:20 GMT
Are we allowed to use the cord from the windmill from "City Limits" on our robot?

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/22/2004 20:19:20 GMT
    Yes, that was factory condition elastic cord from LEGO.

    -Skye


Discussion: CD holder placement By: T.R.E.Techno-Tigers 11/08/2004 17:00:16 GMT
Should the CD holder be attached to the mat or is it supposed to be moveable?

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/25/2004 03:23:23 GMT
    Sounds like you realy realy need to read this document:

    http://www.firstlegoleague.org/default.aspx?pid=14160

    -Skye


    1. Message by: 11/08/2004 16:54:05 GMT
      Deleted


    2. Message by: 11/08/2004 17:00:16 GMT
      Deleted


Discussion: CD holder placement By: T.R.E.Techno-Tigers 11/02/2004 04:25:52 GMT
Should the CD holder be attached to the mat or is it supposed to be moveable?

  1. Message by: Cryptikatz2514 11/02/2004 04:25:27 GMT
    Because there are the little squares with X's in them, the holder should be attached to the mat.


Discussion: how to use black line By: Ninjaeagles2436 11/02/2004 22:34:01 GMT
our team is having trouble with making the robot follow the black line need help

ninja eagles

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/25/2004 18:46:54 GMT
    Ninja Eagles,

    You should read "Toeing the Line (Experiments with Line-following Algorithms)" by Jonathan A. Gray. It is available for download at http://www.fll-freak.com It uses Robolab, but it has lots of good information! You can also read the Coach's Handbook at the same location. There is a description of line following there as well.

    -Skye


    1. Message by: moe knows 11/02/2004 22:10:53 GMT
      Our 3M table liner did not come with one of the black lines needed for light sensors. We were thinking about taking a straight edge ruler and marking our table with a Sharpie. Does anyone have any advice before we ruin our table?

      Thanks,
      Moe Knows


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/02/2004 22:34:01 GMT
        Read the last Q&A

        http://www.firstlegoleague.org/default.aspx?pid=14200

        -Skye


Discussion: Light Sensor By: robowarriors1946 01/14/2005 05:32:38 GMT
How do you use a light sensor?
We can't figure it out. We have tried everything we could find.

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/26/2004 22:52:47 GMT
    What are you trying to do with the sensor. What exactly does not work?

    -Skye


    1. Message by: robowarriors1946 10/26/2004 22:56:16 GMT
      We are trying to "sense" the change in the color. We need to know how to program it to work.


    2. Message by: roboticraptors1620 11/10/2004 17:42:13 GMT
      I just saw this today and wanted to know how you are doing. I had no part in coaching my son's team last year and the coaches insisted that the light sensor was broken. It was very frustrating.
      Skye has probably helped you out, but if not I encourage you to try just a simple experiment like go to a black line and stop. I hope I am not talking down to you but my experience is with people who get so caught up in how to do the challenge they forget to try simple experiments.
      p.s.
      we just tried a simple experiment to see if Mindstorms would allow us to double a touch and light sensor on one port. We learned we could not. You might say the experiment was a failure because we couldn't do what we wanted, but I am trying to get the kids to see it as a success because they learned more about their options.


      1. Message by: Mindstorms Mayhem #7 11/10/2004 17:50:13 GMT
        Robotic Raptors:

        It is possible to double up a touch sensor and a light sensor on one port! I don't know how to program the combination in RIS, but in Robolab, it can be done by treating the "combined sensor" as a light sensor. See section 13.1.8 of the unofficial coach's handbook at http://www.fll-freak.com I believe a similar approach works in RIS.

        In summary, when the touch sensor is not pressed, the "combined sensor" will show the light sensor value (typically between about 30 and 55). When the touch sensor is pressed, the "combined sensor" will read 100.

        In order to get this to work in Robolab, do not use the "touch sensor" blocks, but instead use the "light sensor" blocks, and compare the value to 100 to figure out whether or not the touch sensor is pressed.

        --ken
        Coach, Mindstorms Mayhem


        1. Message by: RoboManiacs 11/10/2004 17:53:05 GMT
          I second Ken's reply. I also am unfamiliar with how to do it in RIS but it works very well in Robolab. It is allowing our team to use 5 sensors to complete this year's challenge.

          RoboManiacs
          Team #9
          www.robomaniacs.org


          1. Message by: SharonB 11/10/2004 17:57:13 GMT
            It is very easy in RIS. The light sensor never gets to the limit values, so detecting a touch is very easy; it would take a laser shining directly on the sensor to get the same value!


    3. Message by: roboticraptors1620 11/11/2004 17:45:02 GMT
      Thaks, Ken. I will look up the specific reference. I read in Building Robots With Lego Mindstorms that it was possible but did not know how to make it work.
      We are in NH, too, and were blown away by your perfomance last year.


    4. Message by: roboticraptors1620 11/11/2004 17:48:54 GMT
      By the way, I stand by my statement. We could not- at least, not yesterday!


    5. Message by: cgmsc 12/15/2004 18:52:34 GMT
      Jack Gregory is correct, it is easy to do in RIS (we've done it the last several years). There are a few tricks however to making it work. The most important thing is that the input port must ALWAYS be referenced as a Light input, not ever as a Touch input. Once you reference an input as a touch input RIS won't allow you to test the light value. Pseudo-code to use the touch+light sensor combo on input 1 to follow a line until a bump might go like this;
      ON AB
      REPEAT UNTIL Light1>95
      IF Light1<45 THEN turn right ELSE turn left
      END REPEAT
      STOP AB


    6. Message by: legolakers 12/30/2004 07:48:14 GMT
      Does a robot need to be moving slowly for a light sensor to pick up a color? Does the Light sensor have to be within a certain number of inches of the color to detect a correct reading? (I figure the closer to an object the better the light sensor reading).


      1. Message by: SharonB 12/30/2004 16:27:00 GMT
        Speed isn't an issue unless the band of color is very short (relative to the direction of travel). It also depends on whether the software has to be in a particular place or whether it is handled as an interrupt (separate task / watcher).

        There is definitely an issue with two things:
        1. Ambient light
        2. Distance to object

        You should experiment with these and understand the issues thoroughly.


    7. Message by: BooneBricksters100 01/06/2005 01:22:45 GMT
      My robot does not seem to be responding using the light sensor when it sees a black line. The strange thing is, the robot will work the first time I turn it on, but then after I run it a few times, it will miss a line. The more I run it the worse it gets. Then if I try it again the next day, the same thing will happen; The robot performs fine at first but slowly misses more and more lines.


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 01/06/2005 13:53:27 GMT
        What language are you using? This sounds more like a software bug than a sensor issue.
        Does your software use containers or variables?

        -Skye


        1. Message by: BooneBricksters100 01/08/2005 23:19:10 GMT
          I am using IS 2.0. My program doesn't contain any variables.


      2. Message by: SharonB 01/07/2005 23:03:31 GMT
        Look at the reading you are getting. Do they change like the performance does? If so, it may well be a sensor problem. If not, it is likely a software bug (of yours).


        1. Message by: BooneBricksters100 01/08/2005 23:26:11 GMT
          I know that the light sensor is reading the correct value, and the program says, for example, to go forward until it sees a line and then turn. I programed it to turn when it sees that the light value is less than 50. The reading on the RCX shows around 52 until it hits that black line, and then it changes to 35, but the RXC doesn't do anything about it, it just keeps going straight.


          1. Message by: fll-freak1328 01/08/2005 23:49:46 GMT
            Your best bet is to post the sample program for us to look at. Most likely you are not turning off the motor(s) or you are, but they are turning back on soon after.

            -Skye


          2. Message by: SharonB 01/09/2005 05:05:57 GMT
            We have a saying in programming: when something is wrong, and you have checked everything and you are sure everything is right, then something you are sure of is wrong.

            We have eliminated the sensor. Now we need to find out why the program misses it.

            Make a program that JUST plays a beep when the sensor goes from light to dark. Convince yourself the software can read the light sensor. One step at a time.


      3. Message by: The Fidgeteers-72 01/08/2005 00:03:18 GMT
        Here's an off-the-wall thought. Is your light sensor shielded so that it's not affected by the room's lighting? I've seen some interesting behavior with light sensors that are not well shielded and flouresent lighting. As the lights warm up the direct & ambient lighting changes and that affects the sensor readings.

        Doubt this is the issue, but just a thought.

        Courtney


        1. Message by: BooneBricksters100 01/08/2005 23:28:18 GMT
          I've tried it without the fluorescent light on and with a normal light on, and it still does the same thing.


    8. Message by: Robominers4005 01/14/2005 03:24:56 GMT
      How many Light sensors can we use? Do they count as a electronical part and if so How many can we use?


    9. Message by: Robominers4005 01/14/2005 03:28:33 GMT
      Do light sensors count as electronical part and if so how many can we have?


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 01/14/2005 05:32:38 GMT
        A light sensor is an electric part. Read the rules here for how many you can use!

        http://www.firstlegoleague.org/default.aspx?pid=14150

        -Skye


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Discussion: basketball goal By: robocats 11/10/2004 16:46:24 GMT
I can not figure out how to get the balls through the goal

  1. Message by: robocats 10/27/2004 22:29:28 GMT
    How do I get the balls through the goal


    1. Message by: RoboManiacs 10/27/2004 22:32:18 GMT
      You don't need to get them through the goal. The object is to get them into the goal.

      RoboManiacs
      Team #9
      www.robomaniacs.org


    2. Message by: fsa3847 11/10/2004 16:46:24 GMT
      like he said in not through.


Discussion: Adding Parts During Match By: The Somethings 3626 12/03/2004 00:04:57 GMT
Are we allowed to add certain parts during matches?
Say our robot has returned to base, are we then allowed to add an arm to it to improve the next task?

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/02/2004 00:35:07 GMT
    Wow! I think you need to do some serious reading!
    Try the UFAQ at http://www.fll-freak.com/faq and the messages in this forum.

    Your answer is yes. Within the rules, you can modify the robot to your hearts content inside the base.

    -Skye


    1. Message by: Helping Hands Unlimited 12/02/2004 23:52:43 GMT
      If we build a ramp to drop on the steps, the robot
      will be on the stairs, but will we loose points if the
      ramp is touching the mat. (not the robot but the ramp)


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 12/03/2004 00:04:57 GMT
        Assuming this was a question...

        As per the rules and the Q&A, the robot will be considered on the top step if:

        The robot is only touching:
        1) The top stair and/or
        2) The handrail and or
        3) Another object that is itself only touching the top step and/or handrail.

        If your robot is touching your ramp and the ramp touches the mat or something else, you will not get full credit.
        The the ramp is only touching a lower stair you would get parital credit. If it touches anything else you would not get any score.

        -Skye


Discussion: Black lines on incorrect mat By: Moementum1993 11/03/2004 14:54:13 GMT
I just read and looked at the pictures about the incorrect mat with the missing black lines. It is not possible to simply extend the black line at the top of base over to the green field because it is too close to the bottom wall. It does not touch the red line like in the photo of the correct mat as it is slightly closer to the bottom wall. Besides the difference outside of base, this means that the base itself is slightly shorter in the incorrect mats - which can have an impact on starting positions, etc. I'm not trying to be nitpicky, but has anyone corrected their mats yet and what did you do?

Thanks,
Karl Krause

  1. Message by: SharonB 11/02/2004 03:05:49 GMT
    I really don't think it is possible that there are three different printings of this thing. Can you show us a picture?


    1. Message by: Disability Busters 265 11/02/2004 20:52:24 GMT
      You can find pictures on this FLL site, but outside the forum. On the left side of the screen click on USA > Challenge 2004 > Q&A. Scroll to the bottom.

      Larry Reising


    2. Message by: moe knows 11/02/2004 22:16:39 GMT
      My team and I recently read about the incorrect mat and it seams that we received one. Is it possible to correct the error made by 3M and if so how?

      Thanks,
      Moe Knows


    3. Message by: moe knows 11/02/2004 22:21:02 GMT
      My team received one of the incorrect maps and we were wondering if it is at all possible to fix the error made by 3M. Has any one fixed their mats and if so, how.

      Thanks,
      Moe Knows


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/02/2004 22:36:53 GMT
        1) It is my understanding that 3M did not do the actual printing this year. Therefore I do not think the problem should be attributed to them!

        2) Read the Q&A for the solution
        http://www.firstlegoleague.org/default.aspx?pid=14200

        -Skye


    4. Message by: Moementum1993 11/03/2004 03:52:11 GMT
      The mat we have is the same as the incorrect picture. Let me try to ask my question differently - I think the pictures show the point well. On the correct mat, the black line at the top of base extends to the right and touches the red line around the ball court. On the incorrect mat, extending the thick black line at the top of base (per instructions) would cover the thin black line such that thin line would be under the top edge of the extended thick line. The result is a noticeable white space between the extended black line from base and the red line of the ball court. This white space is not present on the correct mat. I don't think this is significant in itself, but it indicates that the height of the base is different on the two mats by the width of the gap between the red and extended black lines (~0.8cm). Another way to see this is by looking at the word "BASE" in the two pictures. The distance between the top left corner of the "B" and the thick black line at the top of base is noticeably longer in the picture of the correct mat. My concern is that a team that uses the markings on the incorrect mat to determine starting positions, particularly for missions where the robot starts out at an angle, might get unexpected results if they encountered a correct mat at a tournament due to the different base dimensions even if they extended the thick black line per the instructions. Hopefully this makes sense - appreciate any thoughts.

      Karl


      1. Message by: SharonB 11/03/2004 07:03:31 GMT
        Please measure the inside of the base (white area) as accurately as you can, and report back. Someone with a correct mat, please do the same.

        Let's measure and see if the bases are different.


        1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/03/2004 13:46:30 GMT
          Good mat measured from inside edge to inside edge.
          17+1/2 by 20+11/16 +- 1/16

          -Skye


        2. Message by: Moementum1993 11/03/2004 14:54:13 GMT
          Incorrect mat = 17 5/16 x 20 3/4 (+/- 1/16).

          Karl


Discussion: Major RCX Problem By: rustyengineers155 01/31/2005 02:56:26 GMT
Our RCX seems to be dying. Occasionally it will not turn on, and the only way to get it to turn on is to remove a battery or two and put them back in. Then all of a sudden we will get power, but then we'll have to reinstall firmware.
Then the RCX will work for a while and we'll have to do the same thing all over again. It may be the battery contacts but they seem to be ok.
Any suggestions?
If it does need to be replaced who do you recommend I go through?
Thanks,
Paul Tagher
Coach, Rusty Engineers

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/07/2004 20:43:13 GMT
    I have have similar problems with one of our RCX's. We stoped trusting it for competition robots. I have not had a chance to open it up and look for an obvious defect. Since our RCX would not turn OFF, I do not suspect a broken or bad battery connection, or dislodged battery. It might be a momentary power glitch that puts the firmware out of whack.

    If it is in warentee,LEGO is great at shipping a new unit out. If it is not, PITSCO is the place to buy a replacement.

    -Skye


    1. Message by: Robomonkeys345 11/09/2004 19:48:11 GMT
      We get the same problem with both of our older RCX's. It is due to loose battery contacts. The battery makes contact until you bump the bot just right and then there goes the firmware. I've fixed it by "adjusting" the battery contacts on any loose batteries. It's a tricky procedure and can result in a broken contact if you bend it out too much. If it's not usable the way it is, you have nothing to loose so go for it. Get a small screwdriver and gently pry up the loose contacts until battery fits snugly.

      Good luck!
      Charlie


    2. Message by: Robo Rockets 01/31/2005 01:47:23 GMT
      Any new info on the random failure of the RCX. With 1 week until our state tournament our RCX 2.0 (purchased Sept 04) is randomly failing to turn on or respond to button pushing. Ideas solutions appreciated.


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 01/31/2005 02:56:26 GMT
        Power glitches can corrupt the firmware just enough to cause major problems. Have you made sure that the batteries are in the holder tight? Loose batteries are bad.

        If the batteries are not loose, then I would suspect the spring connections of the battery box to the circuit board. Strangly these are not soldered but just held in place with a spring connector. You can get problems if these get out of wack. Opening up the RCX is not for the faint at heart. You would be better trying to borrow a replacement for the tournament.

        -Skye


Discussion: Stratigic objects By: Beach Street Robotechs3328 11/30/2004 22:24:52 GMT
What are strategic objects and how can they be used? What are some example of them? Thanks a bunch!!!!

  1. Message by: RoboManiacs 11/08/2004 22:57:29 GMT
    Strategic objects are objects made out of Lego bricks that are used by your robot to accomplish one or more of the tasks. They could be platforms to set things on, arms, etc.

    RoboManiacs
    Team #9
    www.robomaniacs.org


    1. Message by: Beach Street Robotechs3328 11/23/2004 22:53:34 GMT
      Would a ramp be a strategic object? Our team is debating building one and we are not sure if this is allowed.
      Thank you!


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/23/2004 23:07:18 GMT
        Anything that you build out of LEGO that is not connected to the RCX or is actively being pushed by the RCX is a strategic object. A ramp while being pushed out the the platform is part of the ROBOT. When the robot stops pushing it, it becomes a strategic object.

        A ramp is a resonable strategy. The only thing you must be careful of is not to be touching any strategic objects at the end of the match IF the strategic object is touching something other than the platorm/handrail.

        -Skye


        1. Message by: Beach Street Robotechs3328 11/30/2004 22:24:15 GMT
          Can the strategic object be placed directly on the feild or does it have to start out in the base?


          1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/30/2004 22:24:52 GMT
            Must start out in the base.

            -Skye


    2. Message by: Beach Street Robotechs3328 11/24/2004 22:44:28 GMT
      Also, does the TEAM have to put the ramp there before the competition or does the ROBOT have to do so as part of the task?


    3. Message by: Wildcats2263 11/25/2004 00:13:22 GMT
      The robot.
      Monica


Discussion: "play ball" question By: brown1369 11/15/2004 20:02:22 GMT
One of my teams is wondering if the ball can be held above the center basket with a platform they built or if the ball has to be dropped into the basket.

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/08/2004 23:38:07 GMT
    From the mission statements:

    i Your color Ball in the center ring is worth points to your team only.

    I would think that ABOVE is not IN. IN assumes being surronded by something else. I may be wrong, but I would guess that will be the answer you get from FIRST.

    -Skye


    1. Message by: LegoManiacs2004 11/15/2004 20:02:22 GMT
      In certainly means in and not above. But the idea of a platform somehow containing the ball while it is in the basket is interesting. Perhaps such an attachment could help prevent having the ball "de-scored" or removed from the white hoop by another team, which has been deemed a perfectly legal move by Scott Evans.


Discussion: multiple missions By: cowboys1436 11/10/2004 16:48:59 GMT
Can we run all the missions at once with one robot? Or can we run them separately? If we can run them separately can we use a different robot for each mission?

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/10/2004 00:29:41 GMT
    The robot is defined as the RCX and anything connected to it. You may only bring one RCX to the table to compete (as per the rules). So in one way you may only have one robot (one RCX), but that robot configuration can be changed during the match. You can add and subtract gizmos as the match advances.

    You may do as little or as much as you want in each outing from base.

    Sounds like you need to read the following documents:
    Rules: http://www.firstlegoleague.org/default.aspx?pid=14150
    Field Setup: http://www.firstlegoleague.org/default.aspx?pid=14160
    Missions: http://www.firstlegoleague.org/default.aspx?pid=14190
    Q&A: http://www.firstlegoleague.org/default.aspx?pid=14200
    UFAQ http://www.fll-freak.com/faq

    -Skye


    1. Message by: fsa3847 11/10/2004 16:48:59 GMT
      one robot. But u can run different missions at different times.


Discussion: Angle Sensor By: F.L.I.2989 12/22/2004 04:55:42 GMT
F.L.I. doesn't understand what the angle sensor does and how to use it. This sensor is not in the training missions. Can we even use it in this competition? We are confused and would be very happy if you would give us some info on the angle sensor.

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/11/2004 17:44:51 GMT
    FLI,
    The angle sensor is also known as the rotation sensor. It is an important sensor to understand. If you look at it, you will seen an axle hole. The sensor will count how much that axle rotates. Each time the axle turns one revolution, the count will increase (or decrease) by 16 'ticks'. It is VERY VERY VERY handy for navigating the mat.

    It is not clear if you are using RoboLab or RIS. If you have further questions, I would suggesting posting to the proper programming area.

    -Skye


    1. Message by: ManateeMindstormers4203 11/12/2004 22:48:04 GMT
      Is the teacher allowed to touch the robot during competition, or can only the kids?


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/12/2004 23:04:03 GMT
        During the competition only the kids should be running the robot. The adults should keep their hands off!

        The only exception I have seen in the four years was a team that got hit by the flu. Only one kid was able to make it to the tournament. An adult stood by the team member and handed him parts as he called for them. At the time I saw this I was rather miffed to see adult help, but at the awards ceremony is was apparent why when they/he won the "Against All Odds" award. At this point he got a standing ovation.

        -Skye


    2. Message by: DSI 12/22/2004 01:24:52 GMT
      how does the angle sensor work


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 12/22/2004 04:36:10 GMT
        Inside the blue plastic cube is a disk that rotates with the axle. The disk has 8 slits in it. Two light beams shine onto the surface of the disk. When the slit is in the right spot, the light beam passes through the slit and hits a photo transistor on the other side. Some further electronics takes these pulses and converts them to one of four voltages. The RCX monitors these voltages to determine how many slits have gone by and in what direction.

        Now it is my guess that this is not what you had in mind. Perhaps if you could be more specific in what you are after we might be able to help you better. Specifically I would suggest telling us what programing language you are using! Are you having problems understanding what it is used for or how to write a programm to use it, or how to build it into a robot, or ...?

        -Skye


Discussion: Steering - rack & pinion By: Leggo my LEGO 1875 12/07/2004 18:03:02 GMT
Well, here we are four days from our tournament and I'm puzzling over how our fun little rack-and-pinion robot will ever be able to navigate reliably. We've got a few things worked out, but I'm concerned about the slop in the steering. It's just too sensitive. Does anyone have any rack-and-pinion advice? If only we could use two rotation sensors!

- Diane

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/16/2004 13:42:05 GMT
    Wow! In the four years I have been involved with FLL, I have never seen a rack and pinion (Ackermen) steering robot. Trying to get it to go straight would be hard. My only advice would be to gear down the pinion and gear up the rotation sensor as much as possible to increase accuracy. You might also consider using a touch sensor on the rack at the mid point. This might make a very interesting tech interview!

    -Skye


    1. Message by: thunderbolts11 11/16/2004 15:14:04 GMT
      You could use a touch sensor at the center to know when you the center. If you mount it vertical and have a bar that sticks out to trigger it, that always works well. As for the rotation sensor, good luck gearing it up enough to be useful. I seem to remember it is not reliable until it hits 300 rpm or higher.

      I played with one over the summer and found that a light sensor and some colored bricks worked better for locating the steering. A simple scenario would be to use the 1x1 slider bricks in a black/dark gray/med gray/light gray/white pattern. The code is more difficult, but at least your robot will know where its tires are.

      Have fun.
      Laura


    2. Message by: ilsgreen2292 11/20/2004 06:35:17 GMT
      I agree with Skye -- I think you'll have a great technical interview, too! There aren't many of these rack and pinion gears in competitions, so the judges are likely to be impressed -- and even more impressed when your team gives an accurate, enthusiatic description of how the mechanism works and how the mechanism was developed for their robot.

      At the risk of suggesting too many ideas late in the season that can't be built fast enough to get programmed into missions before your tournament . . .

      1. Gear backlash can also be a challenge with some rack and pinion set-ups, too. Placing some tension on the rack so that there is less backlash may help. I built a robot with triangle steer and a differential gear on the drive mechanism at the end of one season a few years ago [yes, it was driving me nuts that I couldn't actually build during the season, only coach, so I had to get this design out of my system ;-) ]. For that robot, I had success with a rubber band in a key spot to force the same edges of the gears to touch whether the gear was turned in either direciton and, therefore, reduce backlash on the steering gears.

      2. I also drove the steering mechanism on this robot by building and programming a stepper motor rather than relying on a sensor. The stepper motor concept controlled the pinion to one full rotation for each electical pulse sent to the motor. I have one of Ferrari's Lego Mindstorms books to thank for the stepper motor concept.

      3. I'm also not sure what gear ratios feed your rack. I haven't worked with this myself, but I understand it can be a real art in selecting a gear ration in the rack and pinion which provides both quick and reliable steering.

      Another funny thing about that robot: I discovered I had 32 hours of effort into building the robot, even with being familiar with all of the parts in the box and having coached for about 3 years at that time. After that 32 hours, I had a better appreciation of what it took to build a solid competition robot. It also made me even more encouraging and less critical of my teams and their simpler designs when I worked through some of the difficulties in this more advanced building challenge.

      Good luck to your team!

      - Mark Beitz, now finished coaching 7 teams in 5 years


    3. Message by: fll-freak1328 12/07/2004 18:03:02 GMT
      Here is a cool sterring mechanism:

      http://www.philohome.com/steercar/steeringcar.htm

      -Skye


Discussion: Jigs and positioning devices By: Hellas Little Angels Team 91 11/20/2004 19:16:37 GMT
Is it legal for us to put a tag on our jigs, so the kids know which jig is for which mission? we have about 3 jigs made that we can use for all the missions.

  1. Message by: SMART 1 11/17/2004 22:32:30 GMT
    As long as the tag is made out of lego. Otherwise no.

    - Peter


    1. Message by: Hellas Little Angels Team 91 11/20/2004 18:22:51 GMT
      Can we put a marker, mark on the jig. Perhaps on the underside?


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/20/2004 19:16:25 GMT
        As per the rules, marker can be used for identification purposes only.

        -Skye


Discussion: Wanted - Field setup kit By: Blue802 11/25/2004 18:09:47 GMT
Now that tournaments are underway and some of the regionals have been completed, I'm hoping that somewhere a team is finished with thier field setup. I'd like to buy a complete field setup, all the LEGO parts and the matt. If anyone out there has a set they would be willing to part with, I'm interested in purchasing it. Ideally, it would be someone in the Chicagoland/South Bend corridor, but I'm willing to have it shipped.

If you have a set, you can contact me at robots@f3p.com.

Thanks,

Jon Gilchrist
Blue 802

Discussion: Battery Box By: MindStormTroopers 11/27/2004 19:48:33 GMT
Are we allowed to bring a Lego battery box to the table in edition to the RCX?

  1. Message by: SharonB 11/27/2004 19:48:33 GMT
    I would say no, especially no if it has batteries in it. But what would you use it for?


Discussion: Play Ball Strategies By: Crew2k4_871 12/01/2004 22:07:51 GMT
Hi,
I was just wondering what some of the ideas for getting the ball in the hoop other teams used. We used an arm type thing.

  1. Message by: thunderbolts11 11/30/2004 15:31:40 GMT
    There is a very long thread on ways to do this in the

    FLL International Forum -> UNITED STATES -> [for American members] Rules and Missions Questions -> Play Ball

    area.
    Have fun...


    1. Message by: Crew2k4_871 12/01/2004 22:07:51 GMT
      Thanks!


Discussion: Water in Pneumatic By: Siouxland778 12/04/2004 21:14:29 GMT
Is it legal to use water instead of air in the pneumatic system?

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 12/04/2004 21:00:58 GMT
    Wow! That is the first time I have seen this question asked!

    I am quite sure that the answer would have to be no. A pneumatics system is not closed. The water in the tank would have to go someplace. In this case it would be on the mat. That would be damaging the field and hence would not be legal.

    -Skye


    1. Message by: Siouxland778 12/04/2004 21:08:43 GMT
      If the system doesn't leak will it be legal?


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 12/04/2004 21:14:29 GMT
        That would have to be answered by FIRST. I will stick my neck out and say the answer will probably be no. LEGO sells a pneumatic system so pneumatic parts are legal. Replace it with water and you have a hydraulic system.

        Send an email to: flltech@usfirst.org. Include the word challenge in the subject line.

        -Skye


Discussion: rotation sensor and braking By: SJBMOE2288 01/10/2005 15:40:57 GMT
We have set our rotation sensor to stop at 53.
It is overshooting and stopping at 88.
How can we get the program to stop the rotation sensor at exactly 53.

pS: any basic information on rotation sensors will be greatly appreciated.

  1. Message by: thunderbolts11 01/07/2005 02:46:32 GMT
    You can't. There are some ways to make it better, for one thing, never use the = operator. Both RIS and Robolab watch the sensors, but not always. So if you are looking for 53 it may be that the rcx. reads the rotation sensor at 50 and again at 56, so your robot will never have the sensor = 53.

    If you absolutely need to stop at 53, gear the motor to the rotation sensor so you are getting as many rotations per minute as possible, the watch for greater than 45 and slow down then watch for 50 ten slow down ten watch for 53.

    Remember the slower the rotation sensor goes the less accurate it is.

    Hope this helps.

    Laura


    1. Message by: Wildcats2263 01/08/2005 02:54:08 GMT
      Also make sure you're braking the motors, not coasting.
      I did try an experiment once across my kitchen floor doing as Laura suggested, slowing down every 10 rotations or so. The overall speed of the robot changed very little, I believe due to the momentum of the system. I had two robots with different programming and they hit the wall at very close to the same time. I didn't look at the accuracy of the rotation sensor, just speed. Also, the results on a mat may be very different.
      For good general rotation sensor info read Building Lego Robots for First Lego League at http://www.hightechkids.org/hightechkids/download/BLRforFLL-Version1.3.pdf
      Monica


    2. Message by: SJBMOE2288 01/08/2005 18:42:05 GMT
      Thanks Laura and Monica. We had some luck by placing the rotation sensor directly on the rear axle instead of transferring the rotation with another gear. This makes our axle a little wider, but it seems to be more accurate.

      Ken


      1. Message by: thunderbolts11 01/10/2005 15:40:35 GMT
        One more thing, if possible, let the rotation sensor float on the axle. Um, don't rigidly mount it, just constrain it from flopping around or falling off. They don't like to have any binding put on them.

        In your solution you put the rotation sensor outside the robot on the axle. if your robot is heavy, the axle at that point will be pointing up slightly. So if rigidly mounted to the robot, it could cause the rotation sensor to become unhappy.

        Laura


Discussion: HUGE PROBLEM By: MindStormTroopers 01/13/2005 23:58:41 GMT
Does anyone here know the difference between RCX version 1.0 and 2.0? I know that the 1.0 RCX comes with the 1.0 and 1.5 RIS kits, and the 2.0 RCX comes with the 2.0 kit. I have three 1.0 RCXs and one 2.0 RCX. I*m asking because I just had a freak incident with my 2.0 RCX and I think it*s broken. It just decided one day to only half do all of the programs. The Robot always had a nervous breakdown halfway into the program and just stopped. The first half worked. The shorter programs it did all the way though, I only had trouble on longer programs. I noticed that it had somehow lost half of its firmware (probably a side effect of something else).

I changed batteries, Re-downloaded firmware, cleared all of the programs, and downloaded just one of the long programs to test it because I was worried that it might just be that the memory was full. None of that worked. I ended up swapping in one of my old 1.0 RCXs and it worked fine. Does anyone know what my problem is? If not, I just want to be sure that I*m not disadvantaging myself at the state competition by using a 1.0 RCX.

Thanks,
Michael

  1. Message by: Wildcats2263 01/08/2005 02:56:27 GMT
    The only difference I've found between ours is that the 1.0 has a place to plug in a power cord. Never had any difference in performance.
    Monica


    1. Message by: MindStormTroopers 01/10/2005 05:38:36 GMT
      That's true, but I've found some 1.0s that have power adapters and some that don't. One the other hand, I haven*t yet seen a 2.0 that has one. So that doesn't seem like a reason to make a totally new version. There must be some other reason.


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 01/10/2005 13:49:24 GMT
        Version 2.0 was created for manufacturing simplification. When 1.0 stock was exausted, LEGO made a few adjustments to lower the cost of manufacturing. The removal of the power adapter was the only visible change. It was removed to prevent the return of fried RCXs from people hooking them up the wrong way.

        -Skye


    2. Message by: tigbots 01/11/2005 04:35:49 GMT
      I had a similar problem with my RCX. We made it through Regionals, but just barely. It would do quirky things and skip parts of the download (a turn or something). We qualified for state which concerned us using the same brick. It continued acting up no matter what we did so we ended up borrowing another RCX from a school that had extras. We used it in the State Tourney this past weekend with good results.

      This is the second brick that we have had a problem with. Last year we had one go bad and Lego ended up replacing it. If you call their 800-422-5346 line and ask for "technical" they ran a test with me on the line to determine the bricks "soundness". Ended up it was bad and they sent me a new one. Hope that helps.

      Coach Call


    3. Message by: MindStormTroopers 01/11/2005 17:53:12 GMT
      Ok, thanks for your help. If the only difference with the 2.0 is that it's easier to manufacture than we should be able to make it through state with a 1.0. One of our 1.0s is starting to act crazy too though. I*m going to borrow a brand new 2.0 from a friend and see how that works.


      1. Message by: 01/11/2005 18:08:16 GMT
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      2. Message by: Mindstorms Mayhem #7 01/13/2005 23:57:25 GMT
        Mindstorm Troopers:

        I'm glad to hear that you seem to have found a work-around to the problem you were having earlier with your 2.0 RCX.

        However, in our experience, an RCX does not start to "act crazy" when it starts to undergo physical failure, but either works or doesn't. This observation, coupled by the fact that you're now seeing a different RCX "act crazy" encourages me to think that there is probably something else going on in your situation other than a flaky RCX.

        In cases where we have had a "crazy RCX", one of the following was always found to be responsible:
        1. Corrupted RCX memory - Fixed by removing the batteries from the RCX, waiting for a few minutes to discharge memory, replacing batteries (make sure they're good first!) and then reloading firmware and programs.

        2. Bug in team's programs - Sometimes there's an unusual bug in the program which makes the program do something different than expected! In this case, "act crazy" was exactly what the robot was told to do...

        3. Loose or flaky wire - Check all the electrical connections. Be sure they are all fully seated. We have once had a wire that became partially shorted (wiggling the wire could change the sensor reading)

        4. Loose batteries - the NiMH batteries the Mayhem team uses are the tiniest bit shorter than traditional Alkalines. Sometimes one of the contacts will be "flattened" and odd robot behavior can result.


        I wish you the best at finding the cause of the trouble!

        --ken
        Coach, Mindstorms Mayhem


Discussion: Tape? RE: Program Downloads By: twistedaxles638 01/11/2005 19:29:52 GMT
We understand that the robots need to be protected from downloads of programs in the pit area.. Our kids were wondering if they can put electrical tape over the infrared sensor (yes, we know we'll need to tweek the robot competition day, but want to know nonetheless).

Thanks in advance.

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 01/11/2005 13:49:14 GMT
    Strickly it is not allowed as the tape is not a LEGO part. Some tournaments have a house rule to allow it. You would have to contact the director to find out. Please note that many black electrical tapes are TRANSPARENT to infrared light! Your best bet is a cover made of LEGO.

    -Skye


    1. Message by: twistedaxles638 01/11/2005 13:54:33 GMT
      WOW! That was fast!! THanks, Skye.


    2. Message by: Hellas Little Angels Team 91 01/11/2005 14:46:33 GMT
      If you were allowed to use black electrical tape, as we were in our qualifier, 3M has a good tape.


    3. Message by: thunderbolts11 01/11/2005 19:29:52 GMT
      Before bothering, put the tape on and try to download something to the rcx. Most electrical tape is not ir-proof. If you want to protect your programs, do some testing at home and see what works best for your robot.

      It also turns out that the yellow material the RCX is made out of is not ir-proof. We tried covering up the face of the rcx. with a nickel shield only to find out the RCX could still be programmed.

      In the end we made a Lego shield and we never have the rcx. on unless it is running or being programmed.

      Laura


Discussion: Fork Lift By: skullbots1529 01/24/2005 14:40:53 GMT
Does anyone know how to make a forklift that can raise something in the air?

  1. Message by: Hellas Little Angels Team 91 01/20/2005 03:16:12 GMT
    Depends on how you want to do it, we have one that we use two times. Each times uses a different set of forks


    1. Message by: skullbots1529 01/22/2005 23:13:02 GMT
      How do you run it. With gears or pullys?


      1. Message by: Hellas Little Angels Team 91 01/24/2005 14:40:53 GMT
        It's ran with gears. Email me at drizztd2@yahoo.com, I can send you a pic.


Discussion: RCX version performance By: Robo Rockets 02/09/2005 00:57:41 GMT
Our RCX 2.0 failed last week. The replacement sent by LEGO is a 1.0. I've been told by LEGO that the 1.0, 1.5 and 2.0 are interchangable with the power port being the difference. A number of experienced coaches have told me that they find the 1.0 & 1.5 RCX do not always operate properly or cinsistently with the latest firmware and programs written for the RCX 2.0.

Today at the State event, this new older model RCX did not perform consistently or as expected when loaded with the 2.0 firmware and programs used previously on our 2.0 RCX which had failed.

Anyone have experience, positive or negative regarding the real interchangability of the various version RCX?

Ken P. Coach team 1952

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 02/06/2005 05:39:36 GMT
    I have not found this to be a problem. I like the older RCX due to its power jack. Makes other types of robots easy to power.

    -Skye


    1. Message by: Mindstorms Mayhem #7 02/06/2005 05:50:19 GMT
      Robo Rockets:

      First off, I'm sorry to hear that your team's robot didn't run at the state event today as well as it had previously in practices. I hope your team still enjoyed the tournament, and is looking forward to next year!

      However, to address your question, the team I coach has a lot of experience with using different versions of RCX. Between the team, the two coaches, and the students, we have had the occasion to use the same programs in 6 different RCX units. This is our team's third year of FLL. Of the different RCX units we have used, 2 are 1.0 (with power plug), 2 are 1.5 (labeled 1.0 without power plug) and 2 are 2.0. I have never observed any differences in behavior in the programs between the units that I could attribute to the different hardware. All are programmed with the same firmware. (Whatever is programmed with Robolab 2.5.4). We use Robolab for all programming.

      We have sometimes witnessed odd behavior on rare occasions, but I don't think this has ever been due to the 1.0/1.5 hardware. When we have seen oddness, it has always been either due to a bad program, or could be fixed by reloading firmware.

      When you say that the new older model RCX "did not perform consistently or as expected" did it seem like it was running the wrong programs completely? Or, did it seem to maybe turn a little farther, or a little shorter, or not drive quite straight, or move the arm differently, or fail to follow a line, or have trouble "seeing" the flags? The team that I coach has found that even with making multiple "identical" robots, each of them will behave quite differently, even with the exact same programs, due to a multitude of factors:
      • battery level and battery type,
      • construction (axles slightly bent, bushings tighter/looser, bricks attached a little differently or not "squeezed tight"),
      • amount of dust on wheels,
      • differences in motor strength and/or weight,
      • differences in light sensors.
      Even with careful construction and care in matching items, it is very difficult to make two "identical" robots which behave exactly the same. Even taking a robot apart and then putting it back together again "without changing anything" can result in different behavior before and afterwards.

      Without having more information, I would highly suspect that the variations you saw at the state event today were probably due to factors such as those described above, and were not due to the different RCX versions.

      Having said all this, there is a lot that can be done to make the robot missions less susceptible to such differences. These changes involve many areas, including mission strategy, programming, robot design, and robot building. Making a robot which performs consistently run after run is an extremely difficult task which would challenge even professional engineers.

      --ken
      Coach, Mindstorms Mayhem

      PS: Consistent performance is what impresses me most about some team's robots. At last year's international tournament, the Wisconsin team ran 400 point rounds every time they took the table -- all 4 times! Absolutely incredible, in my opinion. However, I don't think it was a fluke - it was the result of hard work to make the robot perform consistently despite variations such as those I mentioned above.


    2. Message by: Robo Rockets 02/07/2005 01:19:57 GMT
      Thanks for the replies. We're quite used to the problems of consistent on field performance. I too marvel at how consistent some teams robots do things, especially turning! The in consistencies we noted with the earlier version RCX weren't what I'd call normal robot performance variation.

      The kids built a tricycle design this year with the two rear wheels powered and the single front driving the rotation sensor.
      For example our stairs program had the robot:

      go parallel to the wall

      stop at the proper distance (program written to error on the short side so they could start further from the end wall if needed)

      reverse the left side motor to turn the robot towards the stairs

      Since they never got a consistent 90 degree turn, they came up with a clever routine using a touch sensor alternating left & right side drive which then backed the robot into the side wall squaring it up to go straight at the stairs.

      once square against the wall the touch sensor triggered the next section of the routine to forward onto the stairs

      With that background... with the replacement RCX, during this program the cot backed up towards the wall as expected, then drove forward and backed up again. The program did no have any instructions to make the intermediate forward movement!?

      Using the original RCX 2.0 this program worked very consistently as did our behind the stairs turn & go thou the gate program (also using the back & touch turning scheme. Neither worked right with the replacement RCX, whether on our team's table or the tournament tables

      It's a shame as the kids had averaged about 270 points practicing for the state match and couldn't break 191 on the big day.

      Now that the tourney is over, I'll build a test cot and try some back to back comparisons.

      BOW, this was the 4th year for my wife & I coaching teams. 3years at middle school level with a daughter and this year a new elementary team that included our 9 year old.

      Cheers,

      Ken


    3. Message by: See-More 1298 02/09/2005 00:57:41 GMT
      Just a quick echo to Mayhem Ken - between 1 then 2 and now 3 teams, we have gone through a variety of RCX bricks - the brick itself has never been an issue and we treat them as interchangeable.

      Marie
      hoping to survive until our tournament!



Folder: Marketing, Fundraising and PR 03/03/2005 14:52:45 GMT


Discussion: T-Shirts and Merchandise By: NCaFLL 11/15/2004 18:36:50 GMT
Selling or seeking FLL related items, such as T-Shirts?
See
NCaFLL 2004 Shirt

  1. Message by: Auxilium Argonauts 101 09/20/2004 22:24:26 GMT
    what font did you use for that shirt?


    1. Message by: NCaFLL 09/20/2004 22:42:01 GMT
      The font is called Serpentine Bold. I found it on one of my Windows systems (SFB_____.TTF), but I'm not actually sure where it came from.


    2. Message by: Tweeters177 11/15/2004 18:36:50 GMT
      The kids want to sell a fundraising item with NO LIMITS on it. Is this ok? Can we do it on-line and at events?
      -Karen Sanford
      Coach Tweeters177


Discussion: FLL Logos for t-shirts By: Robonation2431 11/09/2004 03:25:06 GMT
We are thinking about using the FLL-Sports for the Mind and the FLL Robot logos on our T-shirts. (These are both shown on the firstlegoleague.org website.) How do I get these to include on our team t-shirts?

Thank you.

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/27/2004 16:49:23 GMT
    Try here:

    http://www.usfirst.org/4vol/FLLresourcectr/graphics/index.html

    If what you want is not there, you may need to contact FIRST.
    You should also read the paragraph in the coaches manual on
    the proper and legal use of the logos.

    -Skye


    1. Message by: Robonation2431 09/27/2004 16:59:42 GMT
      Thanks. It says the background color may be changed, but can we change to actual color of the design? For example, we don't plan to use many colors on our shirt, so can we make the design black and white?

      I was also looking for some other logos, so I'll try contacting FIRST.

      Thank you.


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/27/2004 17:20:22 GMT
        Only FIRST can answer those questions.
        -Skye


    2. Message by: Robo Rovers 10/01/2004 19:58:53 GMT
      Skye,

      I have looked through the manual. Can you tell me where the paragraph on the use of the logos is located. Page number maybe. Thanks


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/01/2004 20:33:36 GMT
        I do not have the folder in front of me, but the paragraph was within the first three pages. If memory serves me, it might have even been on the title page.

        The manual I am refering to is the the No Limits folder you got from FIRST in the colorfull binder.

        -Skye


        1. Message by: Robo Rovers 10/01/2004 21:35:43 GMT
          Thanks Skye,

          I skipped right over that page when searchinhg. Probably because it was the 2nd page. I assumed it would be in the one of the more detail sections.


    3. Message by: fsa3847 11/05/2004 18:28:25 GMT
      do we need to have t-shirts? If so, is there a dead-line. If so, when.

      -Good Times,
      ZackCarter925


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/05/2004 20:25:36 GMT
        You do not have to have tee-shirts. Many teams find that a common tee-shirt is a great way to show team spirit, but it is certainly not the only way. I remember one tournament where a team had a 15 foot helium derigible floating around in the gym with their logo on it!

        -Skye


    4. Message by: TX FLL Volunteer Moderator 11/09/2004 03:16:41 GMT
      There was one tournament where instead of tshirts, one of the teams wore caps and white long-sleaved shirts.They were going for a look like they were from France.

      The idea with the tshirts is so teams can look united, but if you don't want to go to the expense of creating tshirts, there's certainly other ways to dress that wouldn't cost a thing, using whatever the students have their closets

      As far as deadlines, the day of the tournament would be when you would want to dress the same if that's what the team decided to do.

      Susan


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/09/2004 03:25:06 GMT
        Just came back from a tournament where one team was dressed as cooks. They all had aprons and those white paper chef hats. They stood out as a team as much as the teams wearing custom tee-shirts. I can only assume the costume related to their research project topic. Very cool idea.

        -Skye


Discussion: Looking for an unused team registration and challenge kit By: teddybears909 10/13/2004 02:48:49 GMT
I am looking to purchase this year's challenge kit and supporting information for use in my classroom. While I know we're beyond the point of participating in this year's competition, I have enough students to host my own.

  1. Message by: thunderbolts11 10/08/2004 20:10:33 GMT
    Aren't they still taking registrations? Do you want the kit and registration? or just the kit?

    Laura


    1. Message by: teddybears909 10/08/2004 22:12:01 GMT
      Hi Laura,
      Thanks for your quick response. Actually, I just wanted the kit. I noticed that registration was extended through today, but my late start on this endevour has put me in a position where I cannot get the funding by the end of the day today. Plus, this will be my first time involved in this, so I suppose a dry run would be a good way to start. If you don't have any use for your challenge kit, I would gladly purchase it from you.

      Michael


      1. Message by: RoboManiacs 10/08/2004 22:35:36 GMT
        Michael,

        I have some challenge kits from Mission Mars left-over from the Maryland tournament last year. If you are interested, it is yours for the price of postage.

        RoboManiacs
        Team #9
        www.robomaniacs.org


        1. Message by: Hellas Little Angels Team 91 10/08/2004 22:59:20 GMT
          How many of the mission mars kits do you have?


          1. Message by: RoboManiacs 10/08/2004 23:07:45 GMT
            We have at least 6. The catch is, all the mission model pieces have been added to our "collection." If you want one, we will put it together, but it may take several (3-5)weeks to get all the pieces pulled out.

            RoboManiacs
            Team #9
            www.robomaniacs.org


            1. Message by: Hellas Little Angels Team 91 10/08/2004 23:17:00 GMT
              Well let me know, I have one kit. It would be nice to have a second. Then my kids in the off season can practice with 2 tables. That way i can get some of them useing Robolab for next year. They could compete better against each other.


            2. Message by: Hellas Little Angels Team 91 10/10/2004 17:43:16 GMT
              When this season is over would you be interested in selling a No Limits kit also? Please contact me at Drizztd2@yahoo.com. Thank You Alford Stewart


    2. Message by: teddybears909 10/10/2004 06:44:06 GMT
      That sounds great if it's not going to be too much trouble. If there's anything I know about, it's how fast a Lego block collection can become a giant multicolored mess. The time you quoted is perfectly fine. In fact, I need this by the middle of November, so 5 weeks would even work for me. My email is MichaelS@Harker.org if you'd like to contact me. Thanks for the help.


      1. Message by: thunderbolts11 10/11/2004 03:46:31 GMT
        I have 3 teams that I have registered for this year. I'll sell 2 of the field sets if anyone wants them. I kept the box for the mat so that can be shipped to.

        I have a set from last year if anyone wants that too. Mat also.

        Laura Melnik


        1. Message by: Hellas Little Angels Team 91 10/11/2004 21:14:50 GMT
          I might be interested in a set after the season is over, contact me drizztd2@yahoo.com. Thank You


        2. Message by: teddybears909 10/12/2004 19:21:42 GMT
          Laura, that sounds good too. Please contact me at MichaelS@Harker.org to work out the details. I only need one set.


    3. Message by: Robotik816 10/13/2004 02:48:49 GMT
      Laura, I would be interested in purchasing a kit for this year's challenge. Please contact me at knope@mindspring.com. Thanks!

      Muriel


Discussion: Fundraising By: Beach Street Robotechs3328 11/19/2004 03:58:52 GMT
What are some effective and approved methods of fundraising?

  1. Message by: IAFLLModerator 10/15/2004 22:24:50 GMT
    You could ask local companies/industry to sponsor your team and you may wish to ask an engineer or technology professional from their company to mentor your team. Make sure you note them in your PR materials or on your t-shirts (if you have one). This has been effective for many of our teams. I have heard of teams raising the money through work, such as raking leaves, washing cars, etc. On our website, we have some fundraising ideas related to FLL (www.isufll.org), if you wish to take a look. Good luck!


    1. Message by: thunderbolts11 10/15/2004 22:46:02 GMT
      -We do bake sales. It's not my favorite thing, but the moms like it. ($300 in one day average) If you go to a Wal-Mart they will double your fund raising.
      -Some of the local food places that don't have servers (Burger King) will let the kids bus tables for tips. ($200-400)
      -Car washes do well. ($100-300)
      -My favorite - We sell community support to local businesses. For a $500 donation to our team we will provide 10 very willing kids to do community service for a weekend day. We have been garbage collectors at Sea-Fest, entertainment for the kids a the early intervention center and this weekend we are doing gardening at an retirement center. Companies like this one.

      Hope this helps.
      Laura


    2. Message by: Scopekidz987 10/19/2004 23:14:20 GMT
      Well, you could buy a box of candy or like something similar to that and sell stuff for a dollar. I suppose that would make money, you could also do dog walking since some neighborhoods have tons of dogs, like ours. I hope that helps! :-) - Michelle


    3. Message by: Beach Street Robotechs3328 10/23/2004 18:29:58 GMT
      You could host a viedeo game a thon. Another good method is gather a bunch of people and volunteer at a library, supermarket,etc. for a certain amount of money.That should raise some money.
      -Shanzey


      1. Message by: tigerbots3333 10/28/2004 20:19:56 GMT
        thanx for the idea. we'll take it into consideration.n


    4. Message by: tigerbots3333 10/28/2004 20:18:27 GMT
      does anyone have any ideas about raising money


    5. Message by: TX FLL Volunteer Moderator 11/01/2004 09:06:52 GMT
      We always sold Chickfila calendars. The free food coupons made them a good sale, since people would often buy multiple calendars so that each member of their family would have a coupon each month.

      We also sold ad space on the back of team tshirts. If an organzation gave at least $100, then both the company logo and name appeared. If at least $50, then the company name.

      As far as bake sales, what I've heard some groups say is that it works better not to put a price on items, instead ask for donations and you will make more money.


    6. Message by: Tweeters177 11/15/2004 18:44:23 GMT
      The kids have a cool fundraising idea for an item to sell with NO LIMITS on it. Is it ok to sell this on line and at events?
      Karen Sanford
      Coach Tweeters177


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/15/2004 19:44:46 GMT
        You had better contact FIRST.

        -Skye


        1. Message by: Tweeters177 11/19/2004 03:08:21 GMT
          Thanks, Skye,
          I did and am waiting for feedback. By the way, do you know if we need to have permission to use FLL or NO LIMITS on our T-shirt/uniforms?
          -Karen


          1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/19/2004 03:58:52 GMT
            The very first page in the coaches handbook (colorfull NoLimits 3 ring binder) has a description of what you can or can't do with the FLL/FIRST logo. I can't remember if they included info on the NoLimits logo. Being sensible and forgetting the lawyers, I would think that as long as you used the logos in an appropriate way and were not profiting from the use you should be fine. Of course a call to FIRST might be best to cover your rear!

            -Skye


Discussion: Better Late than Never (New PR Video) By: warningchokinghazard320 01/20/2005 08:02:40 GMT
Hi all!

In the "Better Late than Never" category, I finally put together an FLL promo video using "Mission Mars" footage. (In Illinois, we are still competing and won' have our state tournament until Jan 22)

For those interested, check it out at http://www.wildstang.org/fll/video/

It's big, at 20MB, but I hope you enjoy it. A 2002 City Sights video is also available.

Enjoy. Feedback appreciated.

Dave April
Coach Team #320 Warning - Choking Hazard!

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 01/11/2005 16:03:32 GMT
    FANTASTIC!

    I loved the video. The synchronization to the music was amazing. Can we can use this video for recruitment purposes?

    -Skye


    1. Message by: warningchokinghazard320 01/11/2005 17:01:50 GMT
      Thanks Skye! I was really happy with how it turned out. Especially since this year, I used lowly Microsoft Moviemaker rather than Adobe Premiere like I did last year. My son had a movie project at school and I wanted to find an easier to use tool for him and so I experimented with this for my movie as well. I was pleased with how the music sync turned out - Premiere has better tools for sound sync and frame marking, but this particular piece of music had pretty obvious transitions.

      As to using it for recruitment, it's OK by me, but as you know from your own work and the legal hoops you had to jump through, it probably can't be considered as anything other than a personal project since I don't have a release on the music.

      By the way, the song is "Outta Gear" (how appropriate) by the band Los Straitjackets - a fantastic surf guitar band out of Nashville (yes, surf guitarists out of Nashville!)

      Dave


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 01/11/2005 17:09:18 GMT
        Boy do I understand about the music issue! I just wanted to show it to parents interested in having their kids join a team. Not for sale, not for distribution, but just a private thing.

        Thanks for the gret work.

        -Skye


        1. Message by: warningchokinghazard320 01/11/2005 17:13:42 GMT
          That is the purpose for which I created it, so I'd say definitely feel free to use it for that purpose!

          Thank you also for your terrific movie work this year and all the knowledge sharing and FLL promotion you do for everyone.

          Dave


    2. Message by: thunderbolts11 01/11/2005 19:46:03 GMT
      Wow. Those are the coolest videos. and the music just makes them even better.

      Great job!
      Laura


    3. Message by: SMART 1 01/11/2005 20:00:06 GMT
      The 2002 one was also very cool. I like the ending. I guess we've all been there before.

      - Peter


    4. Message by: tigbots 01/11/2005 20:17:34 GMT
      Great Video!!

      I was wondering if there are more videos of the missions. I saw some one time, but cannot remember where they were. Does any one know? Skye?

      Greg Call


    5. Message by: fll-freak1328 01/11/2005 20:43:54 GMT
      I have no videos for public consumption. Mindstorms Mayhem has (had?) some videos at their website http://www.mindstormsmayhem.org

      I think I have seen some video at the North California site at one time.

      -Skye


    6. Message by: thunderbolts11 01/11/2005 21:31:07 GMT
      We just got one on our site. It takes a long time to download, 9meg or so.
      This is the final round out the Florida State Competition. And yes it was a 400.

      Laura
      http://www.aero-kids.com/thunderbolts400.wmv


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 01/11/2005 21:43:16 GMT
        This is the most stressful video I have watched in some time! At the rate the first points were scored, I was figuring that Domino could deliver you a pizza before the end of the round. As it was, that last switch took 33 seconds and the drive out to the stairs took 45! My heart was pounding the whole time.

        Perhaps next time you could gear down the robot a little more? You did have 10 seconds to spare!

        Great job.

        -Skye


      2. Message by: RoboManiacs 01/11/2005 22:49:33 GMT
        WOW!! Somebody better gear down the radar for that one. Amazing run but excrutiating to watch. I can't believe that none of the team members have imploded waiting for "ticky" to get to the stairs.

        Incredible run!!! Congratulations.

        RoboManiacs
        Team #9
        www.robomaniacs.org


    7. Message by: thunderbolts11 01/11/2005 21:58:40 GMT
      Yes, if you play the video with the sound on you will hear a lack of "Thunderbolts Thunderbolts" as the little slug creeps towards the stairs.

      It is a killer to watch, the team gets 355 points in 52 seconds then we wait. The one blond kid always does housekeeping instead of getting Ticky going.

      They tried to gear Ticky to go faster, but it would not go up the stairs.

      Oh well. We had a blast!
      Laura


    8. Message by: Hellas Little Angels Team 91 01/11/2005 22:20:03 GMT
      I have some video of our missions, 1 at a time. Just haven't tried to make the kids nervous and do a whole round. We have been haveing enough trouble without extra stress.


    9. Message by: The Fidgeteers-72 01/12/2005 07:53:18 GMT
      Here's a link to a Mission Mars "Highlights" video I put together last year:

      http://home.comcast.net/~poudre-fll/Videos/Mission_Mars_Highlights.wmv

      It's pretty big (~10MB) and about 4 1/2 minutes long.

      I think it's really neat to see lots of different solutions. In fact, I would be willing to assemble a DVD if people are interested. I would even trade, send me a DVD with your clip (full resolution DVD mpeg or AVI) and when I get a bunch together I'll send you a DVD of the collection.

      I'd only be able to take about 30 clips or so (120 minutes on a DVD @ 4 minutes per.)

      If interested please contact me at: courtney@frii.com

      Hope you enjoy my clip.

      BTW, the background music is generated using "SmartSound" on Pinnacle Studio 7. As far as I know there are no distribution restrictions on that - at least nothing listed in the on-line documents.

      Cheers,
      Courtney


      1. Message by: warningchokinghazard320 01/12/2005 16:19:29 GMT
        Nice job, Courtney! It certainly does show a good variety of solutions. I like the part where the girls with the antenna on their heads dance around excitedly after they get in the crater!

        Dave


    10. Message by: ManicMechanicMindstormers539 01/20/2005 07:52:15 GMT
      Just got a chance to borrow a computer with a fast enough connection to see the videos -- IMPRESSIVE! And I could see each one serving its own purpose.

      I could see using Dave's clip at a PTA meeting where I have 3 minutes to convince people who have never seen FLL that this is worth checking out.

      Laura's video would be great for prospective or rookie teams that want to see what a REALLY GOOD complete run looks like.

      And Courtney's could be used to show kids to approach a problem from many angles and try lots of different solutions.

      Great stuff! Thanks for sharing.
      Yolande


Discussion: Budgeting for World Festival By: rustyengineers155 02/21/2005 18:46:11 GMT
Our team is fortunate enough to have qualified for the World Festival. There are not official hotels, etc. set up just yet but I thought it would be a good idea to start our fundraising efforts and set a financial goal for the team.
OUCH!
Does anyone have any experience from last year on how much the hotels and food costs while at the event?
Thanks,
Paul Tagher
Coach, Rusty Engineers, Kentucky

  1. Message by: Mindstorms Mayhem #7 01/18/2005 02:46:15 GMT
    RustyEngineers,

    First, congratulations on winning your state Director's Award and qualifying for the World Festival! You are now in for a wild ride!

    Last year at this time, when Mindstorms Mayhem won the NH Director's Award, I was absolutely overwhelmed with the planning to attend the International Tournament. We had no idea how to raise enough funds for the trip, much less deal with travel plans, hotel accomodations, chaperones, medical insurance forms, etc. Somehow, however, we learned enough from other teams to muddle through. About midway through the process, I hoped to write an addendum for Skye's Coaches Handbook to help future Director's Award winning teams prepare for the International Tournament. Alas, other aspects of life got in the way, and the addendum was never written.

    However, I can at least answer your immediate question! Last year, our team, traveling from NH, had tournament-related costs as shown below. Our costs were for 14 individuals to attend the tournament, arriving on Wednesday afternoon, and leaving on Sunday morning. (The 14 people were 10 team members, 2 coaches, 1 mentor, and 1 adult chaperone.) We also had 7 other team supporters travel with the team (parents, siblings, etc.) but their costs are not included in the below listing.


    The above prices were for air fare from Boston to Atlanta, purchased at a group rate with the Nashua, NH and Merrimack, NH FRC teams. We were fortunate to be able to piggyback with them for air travel. They also paid for motor coaches to take us from the local high school to/from Boston on each end of the trip, as well as for motor coaches to take us from Atlanta's airport to the Omni Hotel. (Thus, we received the motor coach transportation for free!)

    The hotel costs above are for the FIRST packages available through THS. These are not yet available for this year. Last year's price for four nights (Wed -> Sun) was $275 per person with 4 per room and would have been $325 per person with 3 per room. Included in that package were coupons for use at the Georgia Dome for breakfast ($8) and lunch ($10) for 3 days (Thur -> Sat), and entrance to the Saturday Night Wrap-Up Social. We stayed in the Omni Hotel (the nearest hotel to the Georgia Dome) and had nice, although expensive, accomodations.

    Our other meals (dinners Wed, Thu, & Fri; breakfast and lunch on Sunday; Saturday night's dinner was at "Wrap-Up Social") cost us a total of $496.53. One of our dinners was "free" to us, as one team family had friends in Atlanta who invited the whole team plus supporters to their house for dinner! One night was at a regular restaurant (expensive), and the other was take-out pizza eaten in Centennial Park on paper plates with drinks and munchies from a convenience store.

    The "misc expenses" included some fundraising mailings (even though most of those costs were donated) plus tournament giveaways. The "T-shirts" cost was for setup and printing of new T-shirts for the team, which included our major sponsor logos on the back.

    We are planning for a similar budget this year, although I believe that we will see significant increases as we are not able to piggyback travel with the FRC teams this year, causing our air fare expenses to be higher. Also, we won't have "free" motor coaches this year. Hotel costs will surely have increased, plus there is also the new $1000 World Festival registration fee.

    I anticipate that our budget this year could easily top $10,000 for a team-sponsored group of 14 (10 team members, 2 coaches, 1 mentor, and 1 female chaperone.)

    --ken
    Coach, Mindstorms Mayhem


    1. Message by: Mindstorms Mayhem #7 01/18/2005 02:58:59 GMT
      Part Two -- I have also heard that this year's FIRST lodging packages may no longer include the breakfast and lunch coupons for use at the Georgia Dome. This may enable teams to save a little bit of money by picnicing outside with food they brought. However, the Georgia Dome staff did not permit bringing in outside food, and the prices for concessions were expensive. ($8 per person for breakfast and $10 per person for lunch were about right.) I am concerned that students will balk at the high prices if they do not have the "free coupons" and thus may avoid eating rather than pay high prices with real money. One nice thing about the breakfast/lunch coupons is that it encouraged the kids to eat well -- they definitely needed the calories for the high-energy event!

      The fundraising was a lot of work, and there were many details to be worked out for the travel arrangements. However, the event was an incredible experience for all who attended. We look forward to meeting your team in Atlanta!

      --ken
      Coach, Mindstorms Mayhem


      1. Message by: thunderbolts11 01/20/2005 16:23:01 GMT
        Congratulations! Ken is right, it is an awesome experience to go to the worlds. Our budget was very similar to Kens. As for how we did the fund raising:

        -Bake sales at Wal-Mart (they match 1-1 up to $500)
        -Corporate Donations in exchange for community service hours.
        -Car washes (might be to cold where you live)

        We were fortunate enough to go to the invitational the last two years in a row. The first year, we did a bake sale each week, I hate bake sales. The second year we were fortunate to have 2 major corporate sponsors and we did only 1 bake sale (wal-mart because they match.) It was a long path, but the look on the kids faces when they walked into the Astrodome the first year was worth every penny.

        Good luck.
        Laura


      2. Message by: ManicMechanicMindstormers539 01/20/2005 19:57:48 GMT
        Thanks, Ken, for the detailed breakdown. The only cost we're still needing estimates on is transportation between the airport and the hotel region (I'm assuming most of the hotels are close to the Dome). Is shuttle bus service generally available, and if so, about how much per person? Otherwise, does anyone know the approximate cost of taxi fare? Or is reasonable public transport (train or bus) available?

        Yolande


        1. Message by: Mindstorms Mayhem #7 01/20/2005 20:04:55 GMT
          Atlanta has good public transportation. The subway system (MARTA) runs from the airport to near most of the hotels. For their web pages see http://www.itsmarta.com/

          We haven't figured out that part of our transport either. It may even be the case that the hotel at which you're staying will have free airport shuttle service. (We haven't investigated that yet ourselves, but it may be an option.)

          --ken
          Coach, Mindstorms Mayhem


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    3. Message by: rustyengineers155 01/20/2005 02:27:03 GMT
      Thanks for the advice, I had estimated very close to what you had listed. Needless to say, the kids have 5-star taste.
      Regarding sponsorships, we will start soliciting them within a couple weeks. My feeling is we will have many that would put their name on our t-shirt, web-site, etc., for $100 or so, but finding a larger sponsor will be more difficult. Any advice on dividing up sponsorship opportunities with regards to sponsorship dollars?
      Thanks again,
      and we are so excited to finally meet many of our idols (we're talking about you forum leaders!)
      Paul


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    5. Message by: thunderbolts11 01/20/2005 16:22:16 GMT
      The thunderbolts, and I think I saw one from Kens team, have brochures that we use to solicit money from companies. I'll try to attach the word doc from 2002 so you can see it. Our approach was to do a mass mailing to companies in the area, then have parents take a brochure to the AR department of their companies.

      Once the mailing had time to get around, we followed up with calls to the companies to ask if they had received the request. In some cases, especially for technology companies, we were asked (or suggested) to bring in the board and perform both technical and research.

      It is a long process, but you have the time now.

      Laura


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      6. Message by: Mindstorms Mayhem #7 01/20/2005 17:05:28 GMT
        Mindstorms Mayhem also has a pair of brochures that we are glad to share with the FLL community, but I'm having problems getting my browser to co-operate with posting the files as attachments. Maybe I'll see if I can get the files onto our web site and post links to them here, rather than posting the files as attachments...

        Stay tuned, they'll be coming soon.

        --ken
        Coach, Mindstorms Mayhem


      7. Message by: Mindstorms Mayhem #7 01/21/2005 18:39:09 GMT
        Fundraising Brochures of Mindstorms Mayhem.

        Following Laura's lead on this one, I'll post our fundraising brochures from last year and this year for others to use for ideas. As mentioned above, I've finally given up on getting these brochures attached to forum postings, and have instead put the brochures on the team's web server.

        Mindstorms Mayhem-Brochure-2004.pdf is the brochure we put together last year. In order to really see what it looks like as a "tri-fold brochure," you would need to print it out. The "What did you learn from these?" is the front cover, and the "Team Mindstorms Mayhem" column giving team history is the inside flap.

        We distributed these to nearly 100 prospective sponsors last year with a cover letter and attention-getting giveaway (a Lego minifig wearing a "Mindstorms Mayhem" shirt). We distributed by hand from a student if possible. We ended up with about 35 sponsors which covered all the costs for our trip with enough funds remaining to pay for this year's registration.

        In the time since last year, our FIRST-involvement has expanded to include a high school FRC team and an elementary school-age JFLL team. Accordingly, we have updated (well, actually nearly completely rewritten) our Mayhem-Brochure-2005.pdf to describe all three teams. Our newly-formed non-profit organization, MAYHEM, is also introduced. We created this organization in order to serve as a non-profit fundraising vehicle for the FRC and FLL teams we support. Having 501(c)3 status (or being associated with a public school) is practically a pre-requisite for acquiring corporate sponsorships. We worked around the problem last year by going through our local public school district for fundraising. Since confirmation of our non-profit status from the IRS is still pending, we are again using such an arrangement this year until all the IRS paperwork is completed.

        --ken
        Coach, Mindstorms Mayhem


        1. Message by: rustyengineers155 01/21/2005 19:12:42 GMT
          Another great brochure and tool. I guess that's one of the advantages to being rookies at the World's as you guys have done a lot of the work for us.
          I'm having trouble printing the brochure though. It keeps coming up a blank page. I'll keep trying.
          Thanks again.
          Paul


        2. Message by: rustyengineers155 02/02/2005 04:02:51 GMT
          Ken:
          The 2004.pdf link has been broken, apparently because your new web site is up and running. I was looking for a copy of your 2004 brochure. Can you email me a copy of it?
          topbrandsingolf@zoomtown.com
          Thanks,
          Paul Tagher
          Coach, Rusty Engineers


        3. Message by: Mindstorms Mayhem #7 02/02/2005 06:17:14 GMT
          RustyEngineers: Sorry about the broken links! When the web pages were updated last week for the No Limits info, the brochures were lost in the shuffle. The earlier links should now work! I've also repeated them below for "ease-of-finding"...--ken
          Coach, Mindstorms Mayhem


          1. Message by: rustyengineers155 02/02/2005 15:16:10 GMT
            Perfect.
            Thanks again,
            Paul


    6. Message by: rustyengineers155 01/20/2005 17:57:38 GMT
      Thanks for posting the brochure.
      Our idea was to do something similar with a DVD of our table performance and research project, then ask if they would be interested in seeing a live performance.
      My initial thought was not to do a mass mailing but to directly solicit those companies that were either in the technology field or those that we knew someone who knew someone, etc. I guess you never know who is willing to offer support unless you ask.
      Ours is a privately funded team and has not set up a checking account or anything related to being a non profit organization (although I can certainly verify we are not a profit making entity!) I'll have to look into where to start on that as well.


      1. Message by: Mindstorms Mayhem #7 01/21/2005 22:57:47 GMT
        A DVD or CDROM would be a good companion to a cover letter or brochure. You definitely want something which will immediately capture interest and make the viewer want to go the next step (open the brochure, then actually read it, then actually put the CD/DVD into their player, etc.)

        We did not do a mass mailing, but rather hand-delivered the letters by the students. An adult would take a couple of the students with them (wear the team shirts!) with brochures and cover letters. They also brought along a robot to show anybody that wanted to ask! Just put a simple program in it to drive a square or follow the line on the "Mindstorms Test Pad." Visiting prospective sponsors in person might seem like a manipulative approach, but it's just so much harder to "say no" to a middle schooler standing in front of you, wide-eyed, telling you about this cool robot they built, then it is to simply ignore a letter that came in a blind mailing. It's also one thing to open a letter, and a completely different thing to see a middle schooler bubbling over about their interest in building and programming a real robot!

        Along those lines, I can share one interesting story from last year:
        My wife and my son had gone in to one company's "public relations office" somewhere on a middle floor of the building, and had just learned that the company had a policy of no donations for our kind of activities. On the way out, my wife and son stepped into the down elevator wearing their "Mayhem" shirts; my son was carrying the robot in an open-topped storage box. There was a VP already in the elevator on his way out of the building. He saw my son with the box, and asked him "What is that you have there?" Well, to make the long story short, that company ended up on the team's list of sponsors...


        I would highly encourage you to pursue sponsorship from local and statewide businesses. For samples of fundraising materials, see the sponsors page on our team website for our cover letter. (You'll need to click through to "Becoming A Sponsor.") Also, you can find our fundraising brochures linked from a message further above in this topic.

        When approaching sponsors, don't be afraid to shoot for the moon! If you have an interested sponsor, ask if they'll be a "matching sponsor" who will match gifts up to say $5000. If you can find one sponsor like that, a $10K fundraising target is well within reach! Finding a sponsor like that is not particularly likely in a few months, but one never knows. You can't possibly get such a sponsor if you never ask! I heard last year of at least a couple teams finding huge sponsorship like that, just because they "shot for the moon" rather than asking for $500.

        I agree that personal connections and those in the technology field are best. However, many of our team's sponsors were made up mostly of companies with which we didn't have any connection and weren't even high-tech! We had five different $500 sponsors (Rockwell, a Rotary Club, Saint-Gobain, George Gordon Associates, and Ferrotec), all of which were practically "blind calls" for us. Well, we knew of a single employee at two of these companies, but in both cases those employees are just staff and are nowhere near the level of decision-making authority to determine allocation of sponsorships.

        Also, remember that you are representing your state at the World Festival! Any company with a statewide presence (e.g. the "Bank of My-State") has a tie to your team. A company is more likely to want to be associated with success, and your team is already a winner!

        With your team representing your state, with an eager middle-schooler asking for a chance to learn about robotics, and with an easy way to contribute, how could a sponsor not want to support your team? :-)

        Best Wishes,

        --ken
        Coach, Mindstorms Mayhem


    7. Message by: thunderbolts11 01/20/2005 19:37:12 GMT
      Rusty Engineers,

      You will be better placed to receive large donations if you can link up with someone who is a on-profit organization. It looks like from your profile that your kids go to a few schools. You might try to use one of them as a way to get the on-profit status companies want to donate to. Even people giving $100 will want to take it off their taxes and if they just give you a gift, I don't think they can.

      Our team is self funded, but the school we practice at lets us keep our money there.

      Laura


      1. Message by: rustyengineers155 02/17/2005 23:09:12 GMT
        Laura:
        We have had a couple companies say that we would need to be a nonprofit organization before they can donate money to us. How did you set it up through a school? Were the checks made to the school and then they wrote a check to you/the team? I have asked one of our schools but have not yet received a response. I'm sure they don't think it is illegal but I want to make sure it's ok to funnel funds like that.
        Thanks,
        Paul


        1. Message by: ManicMechanicMindstormers539 02/21/2005 01:55:34 GMT
          Paul,
          I talked to the treasurer of our school's PTC (formerly PTA), who was willing to receive funds on our behalf. I gathered the checks made to the school's PTC (robotics in the memo), and she wrote one large check of that amount to me. Our club is not officially a school club (although 3 of the 4 members attend there). Still, there is some loose affiliation/association, as the school hosted an FLL tournament in the fall, so she (and we) didn't have any ethical concerns.

          Yolande


          1. Message by: thunderbolts11 02/21/2005 18:46:11 GMT
            Paul,
            If you can work with a school, they will either do like Yolande did, just write a check out to you to get your money out, or they can send POs to people on your behalf. I think it is better if you handle your own money.

            Both the local team in Florida that won the states and Ken Skeeters group made their teams into 501c3 organizations. It is pretty easy to do, just find you local RIS office and they will help you. Then, while you wait for the 4-18 months for your application to be processed, you can write "Pending" on the W-9 forms.

            Have fun.
            Laura


    8. Message by: rustyengineers155 01/21/2005 05:16:38 GMT
      I was thinking that most companies would just write it off as advertising as we will be putting their info in our brochures, t-shirts, etc. Hopefully they won't be hesitant but I guess we'll find out.
      Thanks for the info.
      Paul


    9. Message by: rustyengineers155 01/21/2005 22:09:36 GMT
      I assume the "Wrap Celebration" is some sort of closing ceremonies for FRC, listed on Saturday Night from 6-9 pm or so. Does anyone have any experience on this. I'm sure our team would like to stay the entire day on Saturday as well as the deal on Saturday evening, but am wondering what the details are/were from those who went last year.
      Thanks,
      Paul Tagher
      Coach, Rusty Engineers


      1. Message by: Mindstorms Mayhem #7 01/21/2005 22:20:49 GMT
        One Team's Wrap Celebration Perspective...

        Just a couple of days ago, I was asked via email about the "Wrap Celebration" by another team. I'll include my (verbose) thoughts on it here.


        We did attend the "team social" (aka "wrap celebration") last year, but not because we really had much of a choice. Last year, we didn't get going on travel accommodations soon enough, and only tried to get group airfare and FIRST packages until both were nearly sold out. However, we managed to piggyback on extra air seats and hotel rooms which had been reserved by two local FRC teams. Those arrangements were to stay at the Omni Hotel with the FIRST package, so they included tickets to the "team social."

        Due to the way that FIRST priced things last year, however, the "team social" (wrap celebration) tickets were absurdly expensive - $90! That was because much of the overhead of their venue costs was in the "wrap celebration" tickets. They changed that this year by increasing registration costs for both FRC and FLL teams by $1000 (from $5K to $6K and from $0K to $1K respectively) and instead pricing the wrap celebration more appropriately.

        This year's "wrap celebration" adds a cost of $25 to the hotel packages. The hotel packages just went available a couple days ago at http://www.ths-frc.com I fear that if you want to take advantage of one of these packages, you will need to move quickly. Some hotels are starting to fill up already.

        Last year's wrap celebration was basically a "buffet barbecue" in Centennial Park. The food was what you would expect for a large catered outdoor BBQ. There were things like BBQ chicken, burgers, sausages, potato chips, pasta salads, etc. with various canned drinks to choose from and dessert tables with things like cookies and brownies. All you can eat buffet style, self-serve. Nothing special on the food front, but filling. Lines weren't too bad, as they had a zillion buffet tables. Seating to eat one's meal was more of a challenge. Finding a table for a group of 20 would be right out. Splitting up into groups of 4-6 worked okay.

        Apart from the food there were fireworks, and a whole bunch of midway-style fair amusements like would be at a traveling fair. Various "games of skill" all free to try. These were the kind of games that are at carnivals where you launch a frog onto a lily pad to win a prize. However, no cost to play, and no prizes. There were also a whole bunch of various "air-filled" bouncing amusements (kind of like the "castle/trampoline things" I'd seen at fairs before) for kids of all ages to play on. There were a whole bunch of different ones of these which were kind of neat that I'd never seen before (like a "tug of war" one, or "obstacle course") that were fun for high schoolers, too. I think there were also a couple tents with free video games and pinball machines.

        It was a neat barbecue and a fun event. Was it worth $90 last year - no way. This year at $25, it isn't a bargain, but it is relatively reasonably priced. Personally, I might have paid $15 to attend last year if it were a separate add-on to the packages. We'll go again this year, as the price isn't outrageous and it's in the package. That said, I think the kids would have just as much fun going out to eat at a restaurant and having some time to run off some energy playing in the fountain at Centennial Park.

        If you have the tickets in the package, it would be neat to go. However it is by no means an essential part of the World Festival experience.


        Take the above with a grain of salt, it's just my perspective. Other coaches that went last year could surely have different views about it.

        --ken
        Coach, Mindstorms Mayhem


    10. Message by: rustyengineers155 01/21/2005 22:14:36 GMT
      Another question -- I see that some teams have stayed in the Omni, which looks like it is the most convenient hotel. I think that would probably be our first choice, especially if many other teams are staying there I think it would be nice to stay where many teams are staying, but the Embassy Suites looks good too. Is it a nice plus to be adjacent vs. a block away, or even farther for that matter? We will have a vehicle.
      Thanks, again, again, etc.
      Paul


      1. Message by: Mindstorms Mayhem #7 01/21/2005 22:25:39 GMT
        The walking distance from the Omni is a lot further than it looks. The scale on the map is a lot bigger than one would think! (Remember, the "Georgia Dome" is a full-size stadium!)

        That said, the difference in distance between the Omni and the Embassy Suites is not particularly significant. (Both are a surprisingly long walk for appearing so close on the map.) However, coming from the Omni will not require crossing any public streets, which is an advantage, particularly if your FLLers are not "city-smart." It looks like one street crossing would be necessary from the Embassy Suites.

        If you have transportation, you may want to consider some of the more distant (less expensive) hotels. The students could still walk, but you could possibly use the vehicle to carry the heavy stuff. I have no idea what parking is like, as we did not have a vehicle last year. It may be wisest to only use the vehicle for transporting stuff, ferrying it back-and-forth at the beginning/end of each day, but leaving it parked at the hotel. Other teams that drove may be able to share their recommendations.

        --ken
        Coach, Mindstorms Mayhem


    11. Message by: rustyengineers155 01/22/2005 00:03:23 GMT
      So there really isn't much if any interaction with other teams while at the hotel?
      Paul


      1. Message by: Martian Exchange Students 16 01/24/2005 01:26:31 GMT
        Hi Paul,

        Our team is returning to Atlanta this year as well. Last year we stayed at the Hilton, but didn't take one of the FIRST packages because a personal contact got us a very nice deal. We traveled by Marta to the Dome each day, which was a very convenient and reasonable option. Lots of fun for kids from Wisconsin who have never used public transportation!

        It was not - however - convenient to run back to the hotel when something was forgotten.

        We did feel just a little 'out of it' at the Hilton because we didn't see any other FLL teams and there were only a few FIRST teams around. Actually, it was very quiet. Last year the OMNI was the only package choice for FLL teams, but I'm not sure if they connected there. We did see other teams at a FLL team social at the kid's science museum (now defunct). FIRST hasn't promised an separate social event for FLL this year.

        Maybe we'll just have to make it happen ourselves!

        Sue Wanninger
        Team 16, Martian Exchange Students
        Wisconsin


    12. Message by: rustyengineers155 01/24/2005 01:29:28 GMT
      Thanks Sue,
      We had decided on the Embassy Suites or The Omni, but those along with several others were sold out the day I received the official hotel list. As of right now we are staying at The Westin. I hope we don't feel "out of it" as I want the kids to get the chance to interact with the other teams as much as possible, even outside the event.
      Paul Tagher
      Coach, Rusty Engineers, Kentucky


      1. Message by: Martian Exchange Students 16 01/24/2005 08:13:16 GMT
        Hi Paul,

        The Westin looks like a very nice hotel. I'm sure that your team will have a terrific time staying there. We were under the impression that FIRST was going to offer packages just for FLL teams again this year, but apparently that didn't happen since we were directed to the site for FRC teams when we asked about it.

        On connecting with other teams... One really neat part of the World Festival competition is the concept of an 'alliance' mission, where your team will be linked with other FLL teams (last year it was three other teams) to work together to accomplish the challenge missions in a way that uses all of their robots and to perhaps solve some other problem which won't be announced before the tournament. If I remember right, alliance partners are announced on Thursday morning and the teams begin to get to know their alliance partners almost immediately. So your team can look forward to making good friends with at least a few other teams during the tournament. Our alliance partners were from Maryland, Ohio, and Denmark. Getting to know them was one of the highlights of the tournament for the kids on our team.

        The pace of the tournament is also a little less hectic than a state tournament because the competition takes place over two full days. There seems to be a little more time to wander the pits and spend time checking out what other teams have done.

        In any case, be assured that your team will have a memorable experience. We have memories from Atlanta that will last a lifetime and I'm sure your team will to. Just the look on the kids faces when they walk onto the field in the Georgia Dome will make the whole trip worth it...

        Sue Wanninger
        Team 16
        Martian Exchange Students, Wisconsin


    13. Message by: RoboWhizards35 01/28/2005 22:40:53 GMT
      Hi Paul,

      Our team, the RoboWhizards, is also returning to Atlanta this year. We stayed at the Howard Johnsons Plaza Hotel & Suites, which was right next to the Underground and a MARTA station. They had a continental breakfast, which was set up early enough to get to the Dome on time each day. The food was fair. The accommodations weren't nearly as nice as you'll get at the Omni, Westin, or even the Hilton (it certainly wasn't 5-star). But the room rates were only $79/night, plus tax, and they were 1-bedroom suites.

      We had no problem connecting with teams. Our hotel was swarming with FIRST and FLL teams. We enjoyed mixing with them, although there really wasn't much time for that (only during check-in and breakfasts. And to be honest, we didn't really spend much time in the hotel (too busy being at the Dome & sightseeing).

      Don't know where we'll be staying this year yet.

      Dana Swieson
      RoboWhizards, Team 35


    14. Message by: RoboManiacs 02/04/2005 23:20:12 GMT
      We, also, couldn't get into the Omni this year. It was booked before we qualified at our state tournament. We ended up in the Hyatt Regency. Are any of the other FLL teams staying there?

      One of the biggest disappointments last year was that there really wasn't much chance for the teams to get together. The social was packed & crazy. The wrap celebration didn't seem to have many FLL teams in attendance.

      I would highly recommend the MARTA for transportation from the airport to the hotel. It is inexpensive & has stops at or near most of the major hotels & a stop at the Georgia Dome.

      We would love to get together with some of the teams while down there. Dana, didn't your team end up at Six Flags one night last year? Maybe a repeat?

      RoboManiacs
      Team #9
      www.robomaniacs.org


    15. Message by: RoboWhizards34 02/05/2005 00:06:49 GMT
      Last year we went to Stone Mt Park. We arrived early Wed morning and spent the day there. We ran into a few FIRST teams. We spent Wed night at the hotel practicing for Thursday judging. Thursday night was the FLL social event at SciTrek (which has since closed down), Friday we went out for a team dinner, and Saturday afternoon we left to drive home. It is amazing how little free time there is.

      Our kids would love Six Flags, but it would be hard to justify paying the full admission price for only an evening. And Six Flags is so big, it really wouldn't be much of a time for team interaction. (And actually I'm gunning for the Coke museum & maybe the CNN studio tour first because we ran out of time last year.)

      I was actually glad that FLL organized the social event last year because they did not do anything the year before in Houston. A bunch of us tried to coordinate a social event, but we ran into scheduling conflicts (no one could agree on which night) and we didn't know of a location big enough to hold us all (and it needed to serve food, too!).

      Last year we had our team dinner at The Varsity (by GA Tech). Nothing fancy, but you go there for the atmosphere (it's an establishment) and it has PLENTY of room. Just an idea.

      But hopefully FLL will plan another social event.

      Dana Swieson
      RoboWhizards #35


    16. Message by: GMT


Discussion: Interview on NHPR radio By: fll-freak1328 01/31/2005 19:49:11 GMT
Ken Streeter was interviewed today for a local New Hampshire radio program called The Front Porch.

The interview should air tomorrow, Thu, Jan 27, from 6:30pm - 7:00pm on NH Public Radio. For station information and the "show abstract" see the NHPR web page at http://www.nhpr.org/view_content/8055/ I believe that the show will also be able to be downloaded from the website for a limited period of time after airing.

Way to go Ken! Now I can say I know a radio personality!

-Skye

  1. Message by: Mindstorms Mayhem #7 01/27/2005 20:33:05 GMT
    Ken's Perspective on the NHPR Interview...

    Skye points out to the entire FLL community that they can download my interview and is now referring to me as a "radio personality!" If only you knew the full story...

    Last week, I was contacted out of the blue by New Hampshire Public Radio (NHPR). They had received a recommendation from a listener that I would make a good interviewee, and were looking to see if they could do a show about Mindstorms Mayhem. Since we were just about to kick off fundraising activities, I took this providential opportunity to be one that I couldn't pass up, even though I don't fancy myself as a "radio personality!"

    Immediately after finding out the details on the invitation, I walked down to share the news with Skye. I figured I'd have a bit of fun with him and blame him for "sic'ing" the media after me! Much to my surprise, he admitted that it was he that had sent my name as an interviewee to NHPR a few months ago near the beginning of this year's season! (So it's actually Skye's fault that I had the privilege of enduring this interview!)

    In any case, the interview is now done, for better or worse! Before the interview, the producer had suggested that it would be a couple weeks until the recorded interview would be aired, but immediately after the interview the producer said that little editing should be needed and that they would like it to air TOMORROW! (Thu, Jan 27) Needless to say, this has left the Mayhem team in a bit of a fix, as they hadn't realized they'd need to have the first wave of their web page updates out today, rather than next week!

    But back to the interview... In sum, the show's host, John Walters, and the producer, Shay Zeller, felt that the interview went very well. I was actually disappointed about how it went, as I had a number of things I wanted to mention during the interview, including a couple personal stories and information on how to get involved with FLL as a student, coach, mentor, or sponsor. I had also hoped to have a chance to say a little more about FIRST as a whole, our companion high school FRC team, and make a plug for both our own fundraising efforts and the upcoming Granite State Regional FRC tournament from March 3-5. However, I wasn't shown the interview questions ahead of time, so I didn't realize where I should try to work in those pieces of information until after I had missed the chance! If I had been given just a couple of minutes to glance through their questions before they asked them, I could have easily worked in the above info. My answers were completely off the top of my head and unscripted as they didn't let me see the questions in advance -- I'm somewhat concerned that I may have babbled about irrelevant details, while leaving out some of the more important stuff. I feel like I've missed an opportunity to get some of that information out to a wide audience in NH. Oh well, live and learn!

    In any case, at least at this point, I am glad that Skye suggested me for an interview on the show. (At least for the time being until I find out what they actually air from the interview!)

    --ken
    Coach, Mindstorms Mayhem


    1. Message by: thunderbolts11 01/28/2005 22:02:43 GMT
      Ken,

      I think you did fie. And you didn't drop the robot on almost live radio. Your team should be proud of you.

      Laura


      1. Message by: Mindstorms Mayhem #7 01/31/2005 19:49:11 GMT
        Laura,

        Thanks for the encouragement! When the show aired, I felt that it went better than I remembered - I didn't feel like I embarassed myself at all by my answers to their questions. My only real disappointment was that I wasn't able to work in some of the info I wanted to include (especially how to get involved with the program!) rather than that I was upset by the things that I did say.

        --ken
        Coach, Mindstorms Mayhem


Discussion: World Festival suggestions By: rustyengineers155 02/11/2005 21:18:41 GMT
Experienced teams:
Is there adequate room in the pit area at the World Festival to put up some type of banner/sign, with our sponsor's names?
Our team has begun getting sponsors and we don't want to promise anything we can't deliver.
Is it the typical 8 foot banquet table?
I'm hoping there is room to put up a vertical banner alongside of it.
Thanks,
Paul Tagher
Rusty Engineers again

  1. Message by: RoboManiacs 02/03/2005 20:44:47 GMT
    Last year there was more than enough room. I have heard, however, that the pit area this year has moved from the Dome floor to the convention center where the FRC pits are. Not sure about this though.

    RoboManiacs
    Team #9
    www.robomaniacs.org


    1. Message by: Mindstorms Mayhem #7 02/03/2005 21:04:37 GMT
      World Festival Pits...

      I'll have a go at answering these questions. However, since the No Limits pits will not be on the Georgia Dome floor (as the Mission Mars pits were last year) the pit area may be quite different this year.

      There was adequate room in the pit area for a banner/sign, but not a whole lot of space. The tables were about 6 feet long, rather than 8', and quite narrow. The tables were generally side-to-side, so there would not have been room to put a banner alongside unless you were on the end of an aisle.

      Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words. Take a look at the Photo Galleries from last year to have an idea about what to expect for the scale of things. See the FIRST Newsletter from May 2004 for the 2004 FIRST Atlanta Photo Gallery.

      BTW, a few photo notes:
      • FLL photo "1 of 25" features many of the Thunderbolts prominently, although Laura Melnik is mostly cut off on the left side of the photo. (The Thunderbolts are also shown on the newsletter index, too!)
      • FLL photo "8 of 25" shows Scott Evans at the extreme left of the photo, in case you are looking for a face to go with the name of the FLL Mission Challenge Creator.
      • FRC photo "19 of 25" shows the FRC pits. I assume this year's FLL pits will be in a similar area.

      --ken
      Coach, Mindstorms Mayhem


    2. Message by: IAFLLModerator 02/08/2005 22:25:45 GMT
      This year's World Fest pits will not be in the same area as last year, however, it is my current assumption that teams will again have similar tables (I believe 6 ft.), and yes, they were a bit skinny last year. You could have a table-top display, but anything too cumbersome probably won't work once you get all your other stuff out that the team takes along. I'm sure that FLL Headquarters will be releasing information as they have it available, and I have heard that judging sessions will most likely be closer to pit areas this year.

      Good luck with your planning!

      Camille


    3. Message by: RoboManiacs 02/08/2005 22:34:26 GMT
      The pits are in the Congress Center this year in a space that is over 30,000 sq. ft. That is over 4 times larger than the area we had last year on the dome floor. Thre are more teams than last year, but each team should have considerably more space than last year.

      The down side is that the walk from the pits to the game tables on the dome floor is substantial.

      RoboManiacs
      Team #9
      www.robomaniacs.org


    4. Message by: rustyengineers155 02/11/2005 02:34:55 GMT
      Another World Festival question:
      For spectators, are all of the judged performances viewable for friends and family?
      I know that at our State Tournament the robot performance, technical presentation, and research presentation were viewable, teamwork was not.
      Just trying to get a handle on what we should tell our "fan club" to expect.
      Thanks,
      Paul


      1. Message by: RoboManiacs 02/11/2005 16:39:34 GMT
        Last year, they were able to view the research presentations. The other presentations, however, they could not. I have not heard about how they will be handled this year.

        RoboManiacs
        Team #9
        www.robomaniacs.org


        1. Message by: SMART 1 02/11/2005 21:18:41 GMT
          Surely they were allowed to view the robot performance as well :-)


Discussion: Camp on a disk By: rustyengineers155 02/11/2005 23:16:22 GMT
Has anyone used one of the "Camp on a disk" cd's that I received literature on from Pitsco?
It seems like a potential way to raise money for NEXT year.
Thanks,
Paul Tagher
Coach
Rusty Engineers

Discussion: Looking for FRC video clips By: ManicMechanicMindstormers539 03/03/2005 14:52:45 GMT
Does anyone have any short (2 min. or less) video clips with FRC footage or know of any links? Something similar to Dave April's "Better late than never" videos would be ideal, showing the big robots. Most ideal would be clips that use Quick Time (or a very old version of Windows Media Player) -- I have an ancient laptop (Windows '98) with a 3G hard drive that I've been using for FLL promotional demos in town. We're actually starting to get a few nibbles, and some are inquiring about the high school programs, both FRC and Robovation, the new program that's slated for the fall.

Yolande

  1. Message by: warningchokinghazard320 03/03/2005 00:55:16 GMT
    Just as a reminder, my videos that Yolande mentioned are up at http://www.wildstang.org/fll/video/

    Feel free to use 'em!

    Dave


    1. Message by: Hellas Little Angels Team 91 03/03/2005 14:52:45 GMT
      I may have a 5 sec video of last year our robot hanging on the bar, I will have some in 2 weeks for this year, longer than that.



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Folder: 'Twas the night before tourney 12/03/2004 21:25:30 GMT


Discussion: 'Twas the night before tourney By: jemath857 12/03/2004 21:25:30 GMT


  1. Message by: jemath857 11/22/2004 06:50:58 GMT
    *Twas the night before tourney
    And all through the house
    Not a computer was stirring
    Not even a mouse

    The robots were tucked
    All snug in their case
    In hopes of great missions
    Launched from home base

    The kids were in jammies
    The coach, she was too
    Wondering if their hard work
    was enough to get through

    When out in the garage
    There arose such a clatter
    Coach jumped from her bed
    To see what was the matter

    Away to the door
    She flew like a flash
    Turned on the light
    Tripped on a skate. CRASH!

    The fluorescent lights
    Shimmering down on the mat
    Gave a sight to behold
    For coach and the cat

    For what to her wondering eyes
    Should appear
    But a bevy of elves
    With a cold case of beer

    More rapid than DSL
    Those little guys came
    They whistled and shouted
    And called out their names

    Now! Codeman! Now Sensor!
    Now, Tester and MayGo!
    On, Robust ! On, Wheeler!
    On, Teamwork and Lego!

    To the top of the stairs
    And open the gate
    Now test away, test away
    Fix that wheel mate.

    With gracious professionalism
    And a wink of their eye
    They met each obstacle
    With a cheer and a cry

    So up to the table
    Those little guys flew
    The robot fed dinner
    For elves and pets too

    And then they jumped down
    No one got hurt
    Robo pushed in the chairs
    And swept up the dirt

    One was dressed in red
    Another is blue
    But most were in black
    With a few in grey, too

    A bag full of beams
    They flung on the table
    They engineered, fixed
    And mended where able

    Their eyes how they twinkled
    As they sucked back the drinks
    All over 21
    Clearly, methinks

    They chattered and laughed
    Until the wee hours
    Working marvels and wonders
    On that robot of ours

    Suddenly and sadly
    As quickly as that
    They undid their work
    And tidied the mat

    Then they hit the white flag
    And jumped in car
    Obviously arriving
    From somewhere afar

    Driving out in the night
    A chorus of elves
    sang *Sorry sweet children
    You must do it yourselves*

    Written by Rookie Coach
    Tracey Ananmalay
    With deference and thanks to
    Clement Clarke Moore


    1. Message by: Don't Panic! 12/03/2004 21:25:30 GMT
      If you want to print this out on one page, see attachment (Word file). It should be virus-free, thanks to McAfee.


Discussion: Should have put it under Lego humor... By: jemath857 11/22/2004 07:15:31 GMT
Can the moderator fix my glitch? Thx.


Folder: 1 World Festival in Atlanta, Georgia 03/09/2005 23:52:27 GMT


Discussion: Internationals in GA By: RobotRulers776 03/09/2005 23:52:27 GMT
Who are the teams going to the Internationals in Atlanta, Georgia? We are the L3 Robot Rulers from Western New York and would like to know who is going. Please post your response in this folder.
L3 Robot Rulers

  1. Message by: SMART 1 02/15/2005 15:49:52 GMT
    Good luck L3 Robot Rulers.

    SMART team from CT will be there.


    1. Message by: Martian Exchange Students 16 02/16/2005 15:16:31 GMT
      Good luck to all the World Festival participants.

      Team 16, the Martian Exchange Students from
      Oak Creek, Wisconsin, will also be in Atlanta. Visit us at
      www.ocfll.com.


    2. Message by: RobotRulers776 02/23/2005 00:28:09 GMT
      Thanks for replying and good luck to you too.


    3. Message by: chaosdesigner1051 02/24/2005 15:59:03 GMT
      Good Luck for your preperations. The Chaos Deisgner from Germany will also be there! We are loocking forward to meet you.

      www.grasow-gym.de


    4. Message by: topfive1111 03/05/2005 16:38:09 GMT
      Good luck @ all at World Festival. Our team will also take part in Atlanta.
      For contact: www.topfiveandtop.de

      or: info@topfiveandtop.de

      Hope for mails.

      Top Five and Top


    5. Message by: cleanupcrew1550 03/09/2005 23:52:27 GMT
      We are the Cleanup Crew from Flippin, Arkansas. We are excited about going to the World Festival and cannot wait to see all of you there. Good luck to all of you....



Folder: Attachments In Base 12/02/2004 22:50:32 GMT
Are we allowed any attachments to be outside of the base during competition? Or do we have to keep them in the base?


Folder: High scores we got 304 03/09/2005 14:20:34 GMT
We got a 304 officially and our score is rising. Can anyone beats us. No lying please.

Discussion: Tekno Devils By: fll-freak1328 11/05/2004 23:36:07 GMT
329. Working on adding another 45 points to that.

Discussion: 304? By: Fantastic5+1 02/24/2005 17:11:14 GMT
Hey yo people, you guys got 304? What challenges did you do to get that score? Also, are pneumatic parts legal?

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/07/2004 15:17:54 GMT
    If you are using the LEGO pneumatic parts in factory original condition they are legal. Any LEGO building element is legal as long as it is not subject to the MATERIALS rules.

    -Skye


    1. Message by: Fantastic5+1 11/07/2004 20:15:26 GMT
      TY


    2. Message by: EggsandBacon1266 11/08/2004 08:04:23 GMT
      we got it from everything but stairs. We also missed the stairs and two chairs.


      1. Message by: BlueCheesyFlamingos952 11/30/2004 21:11:00 GMT
        Did you get all 8 balls in? Or is it pretty well a given that the center basket is the only one teams are going for? Thanks :)

        Carla
        Coach Blue Cheesy Flamingos


        1. Message by: cleanupcrew1550 12/01/2004 17:37:07 GMT
          We can get all 8 balls in the basket within the first 10 seconds. Our main problem is that we might get one in the center and we might not. We also might put 2 or 3 balls into our opponents side as well. But the kids are so excited about their solution that they don't really care about the points that much. Other than that, we can get most missions done, but we run out of time before we can climb the stairs. We will rarely ever be consistent enough to score the 355 that we are capable of scoring.


          1. Message by: thunderbolts11 12/01/2004 17:49:59 GMT
            We have the same problem. the balls get there fast, but sometimes they get into the other side. We don't know how to fix it. We also can get 355, but we usually run out of time too. Do you have a video of your run that you might want to swap with a video of our run?

            Laura


            1. Message by: cleanupcrew1550 12/03/2004 21:27:27 GMT
              I would not mind swapping videos. If I can get one made, then I will get back in touch with you so we can email each other or mail DVD's to each other. I have told the kids they will not see many teams doing this. When is your state tournament? Good Luck and hope you make it to the national event in Atlanta....


    3. Message by: thunderbolts11 12/03/2004 21:32:01 GMT
      We have a tournament on the December 11th, our state competition is on the 8th of January. We have found a solution to the center ball problem. You can have one of your kids call and talk to one of mine, they can swap stories and maybe help you out.

      Laura
      321-693-5458


      1. Message by: Hellas Little Angels Team 91 12/03/2004 22:42:29 GMT
        I am going to try to tape each mission my kids do this weekend. I got a digital camera that does pretty decent at filming video. So far i only have the pet food vidoed.


      2. Message by: cleanupcrew1550 12/03/2004 23:13:28 GMT
        I have your name and number down. I don't think they are going to be making any major changes now, but who knows. I will talk to a couple of them tonight and let them know. I have 1 or 2 that might would want to make contact. If they call, then who do they need to ask for?
        If anyone calls it would be Stehvin or Amy from the Cleanup Crew in Arkansas.


        1. Message by: thunderbolts11 12/06/2004 15:54:27 GMT
          Ask for Laura (me) or Zack (son).


    4. Message by: Bremen Botz! 12/06/2004 04:55:01 GMT
      We just had our regional qualifier tournament at Notre Dame today...

      Run 1 - 350
      Run 2 - 402
      Run 3 - 325
      Run 4 - 390 (This was as a fill-in because one of the teams did not show... The score didn't count for the tourney)

      Les Turner
      Bremen Botz! 121


      1. Message by: thunderbolts11 12/06/2004 15:55:33 GMT
        Were those your scores for the rounds or the high scores for the rounds?


      2. Message by: Mindstorms Mayhem #7 12/06/2004 20:34:17 GMT
        Wow! Those are absolutely incredible scores! Way to go Bremen Botz!

        --ken
        Coach,
        Mindstorms Mayhem


    5. Message by: Bremen Botz! 12/07/2004 02:33:34 GMT
      Those were our scores. The kids got really close last year and have been working hard to reach 400. They actually are not satisfied with the scores as a whole and are working tonight to fix an inconsistant mission.

      Les Turner
      Bremen Botz!


      1. Message by: thunderbolts11 12/07/2004 15:46:47 GMT
        How do you get your kids to be committed like that, for the last two years we have been suffering from "well, that's good enough." And I can't stand it.

        Laura


        1. Message by: SMART 1 12/07/2004 17:32:00 GMT
          Hey Laura,

          It isn't easy, but a few things come to mind...

          1. Make the commitment required and expected of team members and families clear right up front when recruiting team members. The team needs to feel like they've been specially selected.
          2. Work closely with parents and insist that they come to meetings so they really understand what is happening. A lot of parents don't "get it" till too late in the season otherwise. Supportive parents makes a huge difference in any sporting or education atmosphere yes?
          3. Make the kids set their goals up front and then hold them to it. This is a critical skill in life in general, and FLL is the perfect venue to teach it!

          Once you have some veterans who have tasted success at the tournament it gets easier.

          - Peter


        2. Message by: Bremen Botz! 12/07/2004 23:15:11 GMT
          I am not sure there a consistent answer for how to get the kids committed, but this has worked for us this year...

          We came so close last year, finishing 3rd in the state. The kids were really disappointed. We were able to turn their disappointment into a burning desire to get it done this year. Although we always have worked toward finishing all the missions in the allotted time, the team always hit a point where they thought it was good enough. This year they took a different approach.

          The robot performance and presentation are NEVER finished or good enough.

          They prioritized the runs as follows:
          Maximum points - minimum time
          Combining missions to save time or use same attachments
          Missions that have to be completed before another

          They determined which run to work on by running it 10 times to determine a percentage of reliability. They didn't just want it run once, but 10 times in a row. The least consistent ones got the most attention. They would then run all the missions with a timer, modify runs for time, and keep repeating the process.

          4 of the 5 runs are now 10 out of 10. The last one is not. They met the day after the qualifying tournament wanting to work on the last run (their idea - until about 9:30PM). Run 5 is now up to 80%. Not good enough, they want to work on it tonight too... They also want to work on the presentation some more. (I about passed out, nobody WANTS to do presentation)

          They have made this years mission so much a part of them that one of our operators left the table crying after our 325 run. They felt they let the team down. After explaining to them that all but three of the teams at the tournament would love to have that score, they felt better. This is the first year that there is a passion to succeed. It really makes the coaching easier.

          Les Turner
          -- Bremen Botz! 121 & 4159


    6. Message by: RobotRulers776 12/13/2004 22:09:22 GMT
      HOW can YOU get 8 balls in the hoop in 10 seconds when you can only carry one at a time?
      also, on average about how many missions do the best teams complete? thank you


      1. Message by: cleanupcrew1550 12/14/2004 18:11:27 GMT
        By reading the rules and being creative in our solution. Sometimes you have to think outside the box. Please note though that our delivery is very inconsistent. We don't know for sure how many balls we will get in our side and that is not our primary concern either.

        It has been my experience so far that the top 2 or 3 teams can usually get almost all the missions done at some point during the day. It is just rare for someone to get all of them done in one round, although it has happened a few times. My hat is off to all of those who can accomplish that feat because it is quite impressive....


        1. Message by: fll-freak1328 12/14/2004 18:36:30 GMT
          Consider the team last year that won the 1st place performance award at the International Invitational. They never got anything less than a perfect score!

          -Skye


        2. Message by: twistedaxles638 01/11/2005 13:48:26 GMT
          Okay, we're feeling like we don't have a prayer now! Our kids didn't even attempt the balls figuring one at a time would take awhile. SO, they worked on everything else instead. Our tournament is rapidly approaching, and we're well prepared with what we do have. Is it advisable / feasible to suggest the kids attempt a solution with only a few days left?


          1. Message by: fll-freak1328 01/11/2005 15:27:25 GMT
            You are in the best position to answer this question. Trying to add functionality at the last moment is full of danger. You could actualy go backwards, or make a jump forwards. If the changes can be made in such a way as to be able to go back to the original, then you might want to try it. In my experience, I find that using the last day or two for practice, practice, practice is better than trying to add a new mission.

            Having a high score at the table is not the end all. The Director's award is only 25% score and 75% judging. in 2002, my team probably took the world record for the lowest score Director's Award winner ever. As I remember our best score did not break 100 points. Take heart. Practice what you do to do it better. There is always next year!

            -Skye


          2. Message by: cleanupcrew1550 01/11/2005 16:32:23 GMT
            No need to feel like that. You are likely to see teams scoring 50 and 60 points as well all the way up to a possible 400 or higher. A lot of teams do not attempt the balls and the ones that do sometimes do not attempt anything else. That is the one consistent thing about FLL, there is NO consistency in solutions and ideas. There are tons of unique solutions. Whether is feasible to attempt another solution depends on what they would want to do. If you would have to change your current missions to do another one, then probably not. If you would just be adding another, then it might be worth a try. We usually would not be working or attempting a new solution in the last few days, but if we knew that it would help us then we might. It really is up to the team. You probably should lay it out to them and explain the options so they know the risks they may be taking.

            Either way, the table score is not the big prize. If you are a well rounded team then you may want to concentrate more on the judging of teamwork, research, and technical aspects of the competition. These are often taken for granted. If your team has a good research presentation and wants to be in the running for the Directors Award, then you as a coach should also make sure they are prepared for these other aspects of judging. There are rubrics in your team manual and you can grade your team and help them improve on things that need improvement when it comes to technical, research, and teamwork.


            1. Message by: twistedaxles638 01/11/2005 20:25:07 GMT
              Thanks! Your's and Skye's responses help. Our team has a good research project, and has worked on the teamwork aspects of the competition.. Hopefully their enthusiasm will shine through, and the robot will do decently. We don't expect to be at the bottom of the heap robotically, but neither will we be at the top. At least we have a chance for some sort of recognition. :-D


              1. Message by: cleanupcrew1550 01/11/2005 20:58:34 GMT
                Maybe we will see you at the World Festival in Atlanta in April.....


                1. Message by: twistedaxles638 01/18/2005 12:44:45 GMT
                  Well, you likely won't see us at world unless the Director's winner and runner up don't go, but we made an excellent showing of it!!

                  For all those feeling like you haven't a prayer at a high score.. take heart. Our low score was 74, our high score was 204, and the highest at our tournament was not over 300 (If I recall correctly it was 298). There were HUGE windows with plenty of sunshine pouring down on the competition tables, and our robot went awry every time we tried to use our light sensor even though we calibrated more than once. We suspect the dramatic lighting may have had something to do with it as we always practiced under fluorescent lighting and the missions on that run had worked like a charm.

                  In any case, even without attempting any balls and having one mission run being dysfunctional at every match, we were able to get the 4th highest score in the tournament and missed the third place points trophy by only 7 points!

                  Also, Sky was right.. With a well rounded team who knew their robot inside and out, a good project and presentation (even though the kids forgot their lines in the presentation and had to scramble to get their scripts), our team was awarded the third place Director's Award which was more than we EVER dreamed was possible!! We are all so excited, I don't know when we'll come down. :-

                  Thanks for all of your encouragement as it did help us during the days before the tournament as we read the posts to the team. Thank you, thank you.


                  1. Message by: Mindstorms Mayhem #7 01/18/2005 15:09:37 GMT
                    Twisted Axles:

                    Congrats on your receiving the third place Director's Award! It sounds like your team had a great time at the tournament and did very well to boot. We're glad to hear that you've found the forums to be a big help.

                    --ken
                    Coach, Mindstorms Mayhem


    7. Message by: Limit Busters 02/24/2005 17:11:14 GMT
      we are getting 360! We are having trouble with the balls too, we are going to Altanta anyway! I would love to see the DVD


Discussion: What I saw at the Va State Tourney By: FreedomEngineers1678 12/07/2004 03:13:54 GMT
There was a 400 at the Va State Tournament this past weekend and also a 375 and numerouse other scores in the 300s. Our team was not in th3 300s but we had fun all the same.

Discussion: Perfect scores in Indiana By: LaSalle278.280 03/09/2005 14:20:34 GMT


  1. Message by: LaSalle278.280 12/17/2004 20:45:31 GMT
    We saw a perfect score of 400 that only captured second place. The first place team scored 405.

    See http://www.etcs.ipfw.edu/%7Efll/results/index.php for full results

    Dave Kolberg
    Coach 278 & 280


    1. Message by: fll-freak1328 12/17/2004 21:39:41 GMT
      Talk about stiff competition!

      -Skye


    2. Message by: RoboManiacs 12/17/2004 21:44:02 GMT
      WOW!!!

      RoboManiacs
      Team #9
      www.robomaniacs.org


    3. Message by: Limit Busters 02/24/2005 17:16:47 GMT
      WOW, great scores. Anyone got any pictures you want to pass along?


    4. Message by: Bremen Botz! 03/02/2005 01:46:11 GMT
      We just got the videos back from the tournament. Will get them on the web soon and post an address.

      Les ---


      1. Message by: madrobotists286 03/09/2005 14:20:34 GMT
        I would appreciate it if you could post the video and address as soon as possible. Thank you.



Folder: Hummers Hummers Hummers!!! 11/17/2004 22:07:56 GMT


Discussion: Our Lego Hummer the Government Mobile By: Metal Maulers 11/17/2004 21:55:14 GMT


Discussion: Our Lego Hummer the Government Mobile By: Metal Maulers 11/17/2004 22:45:12 GMT
The government mobile is one of our test robot's name. (Why? it looks like a hummer...) It's fast but falls apart easily.(our designer doesn't have a clue how to keep legos together... ) It is currently in a state of disrepair so we are repairing it and when were done we are going to enter it into the competition. It would win a speed race but in something where you have to stay together to win it would probably lose. Our hummer is faster because it uses wheels instead of treads. We are currently working on reinforcing its structural integrity so it stays together better we will tell you when we finish. Please tell us about your bots so we can use what you say to help improve ours. Just remember don't tell us our robots are too good other wise our egos might get too big!

-TOM + Nate the Computer Nerds
Tom:*cough* *cough* I'm not the nerd only Nate is *cough*
nate: And proud of it!
Tom: Lol we got a nerd in the house
Metal Maulers


Folder: learning handicapped child 01/06/2005 17:41:53 GMT
Hello,

I am a rookie coach this year.. I have a homeschool team of 7 boys ranging in age from 9-14. I have come to realize one of the boys is very learning challenged. The other kids are carrying him now. He can't program or understand the robot.
He will not be able to intelligently answer questions for a judge. (He does have a part in our presentation.)

I have talked to his parents and they want me to work with him right up till the competition date, then if he can't handle it, drop him. That will mean he has spent 11 weeks working twice a week with the team to get dropped. I refuse to do that. I just think it will crush him. Plus the other kids on the team have learned a lot by having to "help" him along. I have recieved no complaints from the other kids, all are accepting of him "as is"

So, my question: During the judging, is there any way I can deflect direct questions to him? How do I help the team as a whole, and not hurt him?

Any constructive help appreciated!!!!
Thanks,
Kathy

Discussion: Judging By: fll-freak1328 01/06/2005 17:41:53 GMT
Judging is not a cut and dry activity. So much depends on the people that have voluntered to do the hardest job at a tournament. Although it is possible, it is very rare that a judge will point to a kid and ask that one kid to answer the question. I always prepare my team for that possibility, but it has never happened in the 9 tournaments we have attended. They answer as a group and the judges can see the team dynamics in action.

Some kids will be more vocal in different interviews. Good judges will understand the some teams break up the work into subteams. One kid may have no idea about programing, but can spout of all kinds of details on the research project or mechanics. Having one quiet kid should not hinder your team. What would hinder you, is to have only one or two kids dominate the interview to the exclusion of all the others.

If the rest of the team is aware of this kids status, then they should be able to let them answer the super simple questions that the judges ask first. Things like who worked on the robot. How many sensors does it have. Have them hold back and prompt the kid to answer.

If the child does have a diagnosed problem, I would not think it in bad taste to let the judges know after the interview. A simple statement on a slip of paper might be just the thing. "Jack has XYZ and is therefore unable to fully understand the programing of the robot, although he contributed to the research project. He is a valued member of out team.". Use it if you think it necessary, but my guess is that it will not be needed.

I would love to hear back about this issue after your tournament. We should all be thankful for people like you who do not dump a child to better their chances.

-Skye

  1. Message by: thunderbolts11 11/03/2004 14:51:52 GMT
    Kathy,

    Having been the kid who was though to be to stupid to learn anything, and having coached now 3 years, there are things you can do with the slow kid to help. The robot may be to much for him, but you can have him do homework to teach him. Take a small part of the robot and have him build it at home. Last year one of our kids got extra homework each week because they could not get it. This kid was accelerated and gifted, but had no technical skills at all.

    Suggest that the parents buy a mindstorms set or lend them one. Have him do little programs at home by himself or give him private lessons. I can tell you, half of my kids can't read the programs that my expert programmers put together.

    The judges understand that not all the kids are Steve Wozniak and there are different levels of interest and understanding. They also understand that each kid brings something to the team.

    I think you are right to not drop the kid, he may be learning and at some point may be the star.

    Laura


    1. Message by: rocker67 11/03/2004 15:36:20 GMT
      I am encouraged by both of you. In our practice times, I am a "mock judge" and have been asking specific questions to specific kids...(I rotate so each time they get different ones..) KNowing that probably won't happen, is VERY encouraging.

      As far as extra help for him, our tournament is only 9 days away, and we have 4 meetings left, I don't think that will be possible.

      He was pulled from public school this year by his parents because he was behind (very behind) and while it was recommeneded that he be tested for problems, that has not been done yet. So, there is no diagnosis to base the issues on.

      I don't think I will be giving a judge a note...while it may not be viewed that way, it seems like "an excuse."
      We are who we are, and we will compete as a team.
      I was just worried that he would be pigeon-holed by a judge and when that happens, he shakes and gets teary, and everything stops to calm him down.

      Having some simple answers that are just his is a great idea! I will definitely work on that.

      I will let you all know how our tournament turns out (and especially how he did..)

      Thank you!!!
      Kathy


    2. Message by: Wildcats2263 11/03/2004 21:34:32 GMT
      As the parent of a kid with a hard to pinpoint learning issue, I want to offer you thanks for sticking with this kid. I hope he gets the help he needs. Unfortunately, the testing is expensive and time consuming, and doesn't always give you a diagnosis that has a treatment plan. There are an awful lot of learning disabilities out there, and not all of them are fully understood.

      My daughter would be devastated to be dropped from a team because she can't answer on the spot questions. I have noticed that other kids who spend time with her pick up on her issues and move to protect her from "big scary adults". Is there someone on the team who is a leader and you could approach, quietly, and ask to step in as a shield if it's needed? Maybe another kid this one seems to gravitate to? He may only need someone to get him started if he is asked a direct question. You know- "Remember Joe, at first we kept squashing the Kitty...." That person could also throw him the questions that you've prepped him on. "Gosh Mrs. Judge, Joe's really the expert on that. I'll let him answer."

      He's probably feeling overwhelmed by the prospect of talking to the judges. Have you talked to him by himself and let him know that you understand how difficult this has been and how much you appreciate how hard he's trying? He probably knows that something's wrong, even if it hasn't been defined. Ackowledging it may let him relax a little.

      Monica


    3. Message by: rocker67 11/04/2004 18:48:31 GMT
      Hmmmm, there is one other boy on the team he has clicked with..they have even gotten together outside of our class.
      Enlisting his help is a real possiblity.

      I have talked to my 'challenged' student, actually quite a few times. I really don't think he is nervous or upset at the idea of the judging. Despite lots of practices and talking about and talking with him, he still doesn't get it. I have been comforting myself with the thought that (at least in this area) ignorance really is bliss...:) There appears to be no memory or retention of previous encounters. ie, what I said to him 3 days ago, he doesn't remember, whether it is the homework assignment or bringing permission slips in or even where our extra practice time is. Truth be told, I find myself struggling with where to set my expectations for him. So, I try not to have any. Just to go with the flow.

      Thanks for your ideas and your response.
      Kathy


    4. Message by: CrazyBots2004 11/05/2004 19:56:01 GMT
      If it is any comfort I am the technology coordinator for our school (the fancy name for the computer teacher. I am blessed in that I am able to teach this as a class & wrap the computer skills I want them to learn up in it. I teach in an urban school, some of my kids have very heft learning plans. I love the Legos program, because sometimes it gives the learning disabled students a real chance to shine. Last year our parts and organization person was a very slow learner, but had a real thing for keeping the box neat. I am not sure he was ever able to make the connection between programming & how the robot worked. (just because you put the touch sensor on doesn't mean that it will stop). He loved being part of the group, was good at finding pieces, and I think got something out of it because the other kids told him more than once how much they appreciated it. We were not allowed in the judging last year, but the feedback that I got from the kids was that when they asked about jobs he proudly said he was in charge of the parts. He let everyone else field the other questions. It didn't hurt our score at all & was a wonderful chance for him to participate. I always stressed to the kids that everyone has different gifts, and we wouldn't have gotten where we are without everyone else. It seemed to pay off. He also shared the problem of getting very upset if pressed for an answer, but that did not occur at our tournament. Maybe it was a one-off,but I would like to think that is what would happen every year.


    5. Message by: Mindstorms Mayhem #7 11/08/2004 19:03:03 GMT
      Have Him Participate! (Pt 1 of 2)

      Kathy,

      I am sorry for the slow reply to you on this question; I have been so busy this past week that I've fallen way behind on the forum!

      First, I would highly encourage you to have this learning-challenged student participate in the tournament with your team! He is a fundamental part of your team, and it would be unfair to everybody if he were to not participate! I do not think his presence on your team will adversely affect judging, particularly if his difficulties are evident.

      Our team also had a special needs student on our team for our first two years (CitySights and Mission Mars). He was quite smart, but had great trouble with focusing his attention (he would always be "drawn" to the most interesting thing around), had trouble with expressing his thoughts logically, could not remain still, and had difficulty controlling his body movements. However, he was a contributor on our team! I worked hard to find tasks that he could do both on the team's presentation and for the robot missions. No, he couldn't do everything, but he did have an essential role to play as part of the team.

      Although he would have trouble focusing on a task that didn't have his interest, he would dive right in to something that he really enjoyed. Fortunately, he loved high-tech stuff. He was also willing to tackle repetitive tasks in which he was interested. The first year, he worked at tweaking all of the "hard-coded" turns in the subVI library to make them reliable. (e.g. turn 45 degrees right, 90 degrees right, 45 degrees left, etc...) He also loved using MS Paint on the computer, so he ended up drawing most of the team's subVI icons. That year, the team's presentation had a "newscast" theme, so he ended up being the "camera operator." His role was minor in the presentation, but it included key portions to have him involved. He was the first to talk in the presentation with something like "Everybody ready? OK, rolling in 3 seconds... 3, 2, 1... go..." and ended the presentation with "Cut. That's a wrap!" In between he operated the video camera to film the presentation. This gave him something to do (and hold his attention) through the entire presentation, yet was still an essential role.

      The second year, he had similar roles with the robot. He even participated in our "tag team robot handling" by having a task that was commensurate with his abilities. However, he did have a role, and he loved being part of the robot handling action!

      For the presentation, the team had a presentation that included "backup slides" concurrent with their skit. This student filled the role of the "slide turner" through the whole presentation. Although this might appear to be a minor role, timing was very important to keep the slides synced with the skit. He was able to do this pretty well, especially as it involved running the laptop and projector (remember, he loves high-tech gizmos) and it held his attention throughout the entire presentation. This wasn't without its share of problems; there was one time when he got distracted in the midst of the presentation and fell a few slides behind, but he recovered eventually. Another time when the tech judging was in a science classroom he repeatedly became distracted, and kept "wandering off" to look at experiment write-ups on the walls, molecular models, etc. I am sure the judges noticed, but I am also sure they understood.

      (continued in next message; too long for a single post)


      1. Message by: Mindstorms Mayhem #7 11/08/2004 19:05:17 GMT
        Have Him Participate! (Pt 2 of 2)

        Did having this student change the dynamic of the team? Definitely. However, this was a good thing! All of the other students needed to have extra patience to work with him, and needed to understand both his strengths and weaknesses. Ultimately, however, learning such things about teammates is needed for everybody on the team, whether facing a significant learning disability or not! I think everybody on the team benefitted from having him on the team, myself included! He has not been on the team this year, and I have missed him in a number of ways, particularly with this year's theme being "No Limits!"

        Did his presence on the team adversely affect judging? I can't imagine that it could have - the team was successful beyond my wildest dreams! (The team won the NH Director's Award and the International Invitational Director's Award.)

        However, I do think that he was unlikely to "count against us" in his answers to judging questions, since this student spoke in such a way that his difficulties were generally evident from his voice; accordingly, I think judges considered the content of what he said less critically than they would otherwise, and instead focused on his clear enthusiasm and enjoyment at being part of the team. This may not be the case for your student, but I don't know that it should make a difference either way.

        In summary, I highly encourage you to have your specially challenged student participate with the team at the tournament. He has been a part of the team throughout the entire year, and if he were to not participate, I think the rest of the team would regret it. (Plus, we all have shortcomings - if he is not able to "make the cut" to participate, this leaves everybody else wondering if they're next...)

        A final thing to consider is that whether or not he ends up adversely impacting the judging, I am certain that the experience of participating with FLL will be one of the highlights of his childhood education.

        I wish your team the best!

        --ken
        Coach,
        Mindstorms Mayhem

        PS: One last thing - whatever the judging outcome, when you put your head on the pillow at night to go to sleep, you will know that you "did the right thing" by having this student participate. I am confident that everybody touched by this student will gain from the experience.


    6. Message by: See-More 1298 11/09/2004 04:27:53 GMT
      Hear Hear Ken! Well said. Each child contributes in ways, seen and unseen, that contribute to the growth of each and every team member. ALL children are special and there is so much more to FLL than just the competition and the judging and the scoring.

      Marie


    7. Message by: rocker67 11/09/2004 13:28:19 GMT
      Ken,

      Thank you so much for writing. You have confirmed some of what I have done already. We are doing a spoof of a newscast...he is cameraman.

      He is getting as excited as the rest of the team. Our competition is this Saturday.

      My decision to keep him on the team was never in jeopardy.
      I can truly say I have been stretched immeasurably from coaching this team. I have taught lots of classes, from grade-school to college, and this class with these 7 boys has been the biggest challenge I have faced yet.
      I find myself talking about how I plan to change things next year...because of course we are doing this again!

      Thank you all for writing...
      This forum is such a cool idea....

      Kathy

      (ps ken, I clicked your email by mistake, and we are neighbors...I'm right up the road in Manchester!)


    8. Message by: Loco Lego Lunatics 522 11/12/2004 07:18:42 GMT
      I am a first-time coach. I don't have teaching experience. One of our kids is autistic. He loves Legos and is so creative. But he hasn't participated with the kids at all. He distracts the team. He refuses to participate in anything I have asked; costumes, research, skit, programming, building of the robot. I'm frustrated to tears. Each week it is more difficult to make progress. We have so much to do and I need everyone to participate. Any suggestions?


    9. Message by: Wildcats2263 11/13/2004 00:08:47 GMT
      My understanding of autism is that it varies wildly from kid to kid. I think you have cause to ask the parents to stay and observe so that they can help you understand this kid's needs and also so that they can help to direct him. I know a few parents of autistic children, and they do this kind of thing often with activities they want their child to participate in.
      You are to be commended for taking this challenge on. But, you aren't an expert on special needs. His parents should have some techniques they can teach you to help.

      Monica


    10. Message by: Loco Lego Lunatics 522 11/13/2004 06:22:05 GMT
      I think that autism by definition means that a person can't work well with others. Is it acceptable to look at this boy's participation in a different way? He understands the robot very well, although he has built none of it. He can hum a song, build a creation and listen to the team all at the same time. Can he come to meetings and have no expectations placed on him? Can he be a team member and contribute only when he decides? I want to include him in our team, but I don't want to go crazy trying to make him do something that he can't...work as a team member. He is learning, having fun and making friends. Isn't that the goal?


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/13/2004 13:36:04 GMT
        Learning and having fun is indeed the goal. Having this person on your team is a learning experience for everyone. As long as the friction caused by the situation is not overwhelming, than the team should be having fun.

        -Skye


    11. Message by: Super Nerds 1720 11/18/2004 21:50:59 GMT
      I have had a students on my team in the past where that was the only time of day they were with (his words, not mine) 'regular kids'. He was a trooper. He worked hard and contributed a lot, even if it wasn't in concrete ways. His spirit was contagious and he asked questions that helped the other kids understand better because they had to try to explain it, not just do it.

      Take him!


    12. Message by: See-More 1298 11/19/2004 22:37:12 GMT
      It is frustrating! And it is hard to understand! And, yes, as a coach it is more work on your end. But.... the rewards to this child, to the other team members and to yourself are enormous.

      Should he be held to the same expectations as the other kids? No - it's not fair to where he is and his current abilities. Will the other kids understand this? Probably better than most adults - they have a much better grasp, in my experience, than most adults do about a peer who is having difficulties.

      As a coach, I would suggest that you brainstorm with his parents what are the most appropriate and accessibles tasks for him to do with/for the team. Sometimes those jobs will be very, very different than what we adults would consider "teamwork" but if the child's need are being met and the team is helped by his efforts, that IS teamwork.

      Also, I would suggest finding a time that you can speak to the other team members about autism without this team member present. Help them to understand his particular manifestation of it (it IS different for each unique child) and ask for their input on how to best include him. Ask them for ways that they can help make his behaviors less distracting to themselves.

      Finally, I would tie it all into this year's theme. Remind the team that physical challenges are not always visible. Autism is not a mental disorder but a physical one and an often invisible one at that.

      In compassion,

      Marie


    13. Message by: CLL1525 11/21/2004 22:05:35 GMT
      I think it is in the spirit of NO LIMITS that you have accepted a handicapped student on your team. I congratulate you and your team members for your spirit and compassion.

      Trish


    14. Message by: Loco Lego Lunatics 522 12/12/2004 05:51:07 GMT
      Our team went to the local competition today. Our autistic member had a hard time with the noise and the new environment. He participated for two hours. I told the technical judges ahead of time that he might not follow the rules, but we would try. The judges were respectful and kind. The highlight of the entire year for me (we started meetings last March) was watching the kids explain to so many interested adults how they built the robot and what it could do. Three out of the four kids knew about the robot. The fourth started three weeks ago and hasn't had much opportunity. We had a great time today. The kids already want to plan for next year! What a great experience.


    15. Message by: twistedaxles638 01/06/2005 17:41:53 GMT
      I can't find it right now, but somewhere in the Coaches book it talks about what they look for in a team. There is something along the lines of respect for each other. I wish I could find it as we have pointed out that part of the "team work" is working with each others' similarities and differences and respecting each other for who they are. We have some issues with a slower team member, but I think it is a great opportunity to help kids realize that even those who struggle CAN contribute in some way, even if it is to help one reflect on one's own "gifts" - and to consider how blessed they are to have those gifts as they could be taken away in the twinkling of an eye via accident or illness. Each person is unique and valuable just for being here :-)

      Okay, enough philosphy for one email!



Folder: Lego Humor 11/19/2004 16:24:18 GMT
In the midst of all the stress of trying to climb stairs, shoot baskets, and put away the CD, humor is sometimes important. Please post any lego related humor you find here. From Comics to true stories.


Folder: Looting 11/19/2004 16:24:18 GMT
All our legos are constantly mixed up, so there is always one kit with hardly any legos. So the members in that kit always 'loot' the other kits for lego pieces! :)

Discussion: defective legos By: Super Nerds 1720 11/17/2004 22:22:48 GMT
I thought this was funny (and all too true sometimes).

http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df200006/df20000613.jpg

  1. Message by: tigerbots3333 11/01/2004 21:12:41 GMT
    I AGREE! It is very funny... I think that we can all use a little humer every once and a while!


    1. Message by: magiccreators1120 11/02/2004 20:01:55 GMT
      The CD of us had been broken! So, it wasn't very nice!


    2. Message by: Hellas Little Angels Team 91 11/02/2004 22:07:36 GMT
      I think I had a set like that when I was a kid. Wondered where my parents got them from. :)


    3. Message by: 11/03/2004 20:34:04 GMT
      Deleted


      1. Message by: RoboManiacs 11/03/2004 20:36:30 GMT
        Give them a break - they are from Germany. Most likely using some sort of internet translation. I think they mean that their instruction CD was broken when they received the package.

        RoboManiacs
        Team #9
        www.robomaniacs.org


    4. Message by: 11/04/2004 20:44:52 GMT
      Deleted


    5. Message by: 11/09/2004 18:13:40 GMT
      Deleted


    6. Message by: Metal Maulers 11/17/2004 22:22:48 GMT
      rofl!

      Reminds me of the time one of my new lego sets was missing several crucial peices....

      - Nate the computer nerd
      Metal Maulers


Discussion: Is there such a thing as too many Legos? By: knights1614 11/08/2004 21:10:21 GMT
Is there such a thing as too many Legos? Go to the folder on Lego Sorting. Pennichuck1376 has a link to The 27 Stages of Lego Sorting. I found it very amusing, in an ironic sort of way. All true Lego enthusiasts, or those of us with children that fit into this catagory, will find it humorous reading. Enjoy. Thank you Pennichuck1376.

  1. Message by: 11/06/2004 07:14:43 GMT
    Deleted


    1. Message by: Super Nerds 1720 11/08/2004 21:10:21 GMT
      Yes, I have seen that. I love that, as well.


Discussion: Minifigs By: ilsgreen2292 11/17/2004 22:30:37 GMT
I guess mini-figs may be smarter than we think. See what they did with Andy's Computer.

- Mark

  1. Message by: thunderbolts11 11/08/2004 18:03:13 GMT
    Very Cute.
    Laura


    1. Message by: tigerbots3333 11/08/2004 20:44:03 GMT
      THESE ARE HILARIOUS!! WHERE ARE YOU FINDING THESE?!?


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/08/2004 20:59:28 GMT
        One great source for minifig movies is:

        http://www.brickfilms.com

        -Skye


    2. Message by: fsa3847 11/10/2004 03:56:38 GMT
      Nice!


    3. Message by: robowarriors1946 11/12/2004 21:38:46 GMT
      Phew, I almost died laughing, I mean it!
      That is so hilarious! That is exactly what we need, more lego comedians. Keep up the GREAT and HILARIOUS work guys.

      -Alex


    4. Message by: Metal Maulers 11/17/2004 22:30:37 GMT
      THAT'S AWESOME! Wicked funny ! Wonder how they lifted those things that were, like, 4 or 5x their size tho....

      -Nate the computer Nerd

      Metal Maulers



Folder: New Team 11/30/2004 00:34:41 GMT
Tips For New Teams.

Discussion: We are a new team. By: Projekt Lightning 11/30/2004 00:24:08 GMT
We are a brand new team. We're just wondering if anyone has any useful tips for us.

We are thinking about putting a trailor like attatchment with a wheel rotation sensor on the back of our robot. Is this a good idea and do the rules say anyhthing about it?

Discussion: We are a new team. By: Projekt Lightning 11/30/2004 00:34:41 GMT
We are a brand new team. We're just wondering if anyone has any useful tips for us.

We are thinking about putting a trailor like attatchment with a wheel rotation sensor on the back of our robot. Is this a good idea and do the rules say anyhthing about it?

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 11/30/2004 00:32:00 GMT
    This is a way that the 'pros' use to get very accurate navigation. I have not seen it done in FLL. I think it would make for a fantastic technical presentation!

    -Skye


    1. Message by: Projekt Lightning 11/30/2004 00:34:41 GMT
      Thanks!



Folder: Robot Won't Steer Help 12/07/2004 22:33:35 GMT


Discussion: Robot not steering. By: DCHS3136 12/05/2004 05:28:43 GMT
Well...twas the night before the tournament and the kids just discovered that the robot won't turn! Yikes! This is our first year and we've learned tons...I have 5 boys with learning problems on the team..plus 4 others...but they are doing well....my question is..I'm not sure how to lead them in discovering why it won't turn. They've been able to put the ball in the hoop and pick up the cd via dead reackoning...but then discovered it won't turn to do other things...There are 4 large wheels. Two wheels are on independent axles/motors with the intention of steering via programming... I'm wondering if the problem could be too much friction/weight on the non-motorized end...that's where they have their ball/cd/glasses/tray lifter and another motor. I would appreciate any imput quickly so I can help lead them in the right direction instead of astray like I've done so many times this year....but, of course, with them learning lots from it.

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 12/05/2004 05:28:43 GMT
    Have them run a simple experiment. Remove the rubber treads from the non-drive wheels. The robot should now be able to turn. Many teams run the bicycle wheels for drive and the same wheels without tires for the non-drive wheels.
    After the experiement, your team should have enough info to get them on a roll.

    -Skye


Discussion: steering the robot By: robojoz1513 12/07/2004 22:33:35 GMT
Our robot uses 4 of the large wheels. The 2 front wheels don't have treads. They wheels used to turn consistently, but now turning is erratic. Can I wipe the wheels of with a plain dry cloth? They seem to be getting dirty which is probably causing friction. Can I clean them with anything?

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 12/07/2004 13:35:26 GMT
    According to Jim Sato (author of several Mindstorms books) you can use ordinary dishwashing soap in warm (not hot) water. Rinse well.

    -Skye


    1. Message by: thunderbolts11 12/07/2004 15:48:40 GMT
      We use those little alcohol wipes like come in medical kits. They work well and don't seem to hurt the wheels.

      Laura


    2. Message by: robojoz1513 12/07/2004 16:54:25 GMT
      So it's ok to use rubbing alcohol on the wheels? Will it damage them, and is it legal?


    3. Message by: fll-freak1328 12/07/2004 17:02:22 GMT
      Since the alcohol will evaporate completely, it can't be considered an illegal lubricant. I think you are safe with the rules. I am not sure if the plastic/rubber is safe with alcohol. I would test first on spare parts. If the part gets tacky, you will know that the alcohol is attacking the rubber/plastic. At this point the part is no longer in factory original condition and would be an illegal part.

      -Skye


    4. Message by: robojoz1513 12/07/2004 22:33:35 GMT
      Thanks for your help. We are really learning a lot from this forum! It's our first year at this, and we having a ball!



Folder: Should a team member work with the kids if he or she can't go to the competition? 11/05/2004 16:49:23 GMT
I am a new coach with a new team. We've been meeting since last April. One of the kids won't be able to go to the competition because of a vacation trip. Should she continue to prepare or drop out for the year?

Discussion: Not present By: fll-freak1328 10/26/2004 05:40:58 GMT
It is not required that all members attend the tournament. In fact one year, I saw a team of ONE compete because the rest of the team had the flu!

The rest of the issue is yours to deal with!

-Skye

  1. Message by: IAFLLModerator 10/08/2004 00:02:09 GMT
    My answer is going to be biased coming from a university where young women interested in the sciences and engineering are always desired-- if you have a young girl who is willing to do the work of the season, be a good team member, and her only downfall is that she won't be at competition, PLEASE don't discourage her from exploring engineering, science, and technology. As Skye mentioned, the tournament day is just one day out of the entire season and the experiences up to the tourney are so valuable and could make a lasting impact on her future choices. (thanks for listening and I'm off the soap box now)


    1. Message by: Loco Lego Lunatics 522 10/08/2004 00:24:05 GMT
      Thanks for the great input. We have so few kids to start with, that we were worried that we couldn't compete if we were only able to get three kids to the competition. Susan D.


      1. Message by: thunderbolts11 10/08/2004 14:32:13 GMT
        Make sure when you go the the competition to get her a medal or whatever they pass out for competing. We had some kids that worked real hard all season and could not compete, but were thrilled to get the medal.

        Laura


    2. Message by: See-More 1298 10/18/2004 02:24:26 GMT
      Last year, we discovered mid-way through the season that one of our team members would be temporarily moving out of the state during tournament time. She worked with the team for as long as she could and was thrilled to still be included. In fact, the team so missed her that they created "Caitlin-on-a-Stick"! They carried her everywhere - to the competition table, to the interviews, everywhere! That team won the Teamwork Award and were duly noted as having the thinnest team member ever : )

      Marie
      coach for See-More, Robotic Doors, and Fuzzy Monkeys Insights


    3. Message by: Ore Creek Gear Heads 10/19/2004 15:24:05 GMT
      I have the same issue. We only had six kids apply and one of them will be out of town on competition day. He is not very happy about it, but he continues to give me 110% at the team meetings. I have used him for building and project work, as I need full programming support on game day. I will deffinitely make sure he gets all of the recognition he deserves. We are going to try and have one of the team parents video the event so we can share it with the school and everyone.

      Coach


      1. Message by: thunderbolts11 10/19/2004 16:40:38 GMT
        During the presentation, maybe you could speaker-phone him in so he can participate? I don't think that would go against the rules.


    4. Message by: TX FLL Volunteer Moderator 10/26/2004 05:40:58 GMT
      Or maybe have an audio tape of the team member.

      You probably wouldn't have access to a speaker phone during presentation times. At one event I attended that was held at an athletic center, the presentations were done in the locker room, there was no other room available.


Discussion: The competition is really just the icing on the cake By: Tweeters177 10/21/2004 00:21:26 GMT
I have a few kids who have had conflicts with competitions over the years due to Select Soccer, cultural events, etc.
In the past I have kicked one person out for lack of interest, but I have also had a contributing active member prepare her piece of a research assignment and have someone else deliver it for her at the tournament she had to miss. It would be a shame if a child missed out completely because of family plans over which they have no control.

Karen Turner Sanford

Discussion: Stay By: fsa3847 11/05/2004 16:49:46 GMT
She\he needs to stay. If you win the tournament then you will go to a new one and then she\he can come. And even if you don't win she\he could join again next year and have an reason for rejoining.

Discussion: Welcome By: RoboManiacs 11/09/2004 18:36:10 GMT
Hello and welcome or welcome back to another round of FLL. We are looking forward to another great season. Best of luck to all. We hope to meet as many of you as possible during the year.

RoboManiacs
Team #9
The 27 Stages of Lego Sorting. You'll find a picture of my current sorting project here.



Discussion: Picture of mat? By: Auxilium Argonauts 101 01/20/2005 23:44:28 GMT
Does anyone have a picture or drawing of the mat this year?
--Argonauts

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/16/2004 19:32:34 GMT
    Try here:

    fll-freak1328 "Mission planning sheet" 9/16/04 3:57am

    -Skye


    1. Message by: fsa3847 11/09/2004 16:45:26 GMT
      hey man there is a photo of the mat on this sight. just go to chalange 2004, then go to more about no limits, finally go to missions and scorning. At the top of the page is a photo of the mat and everything is where it is needed to be.


    2. Message by: 21stcentars2357 01/20/2005 23:44:28 GMT
      thank fsa3847, that has been helpful for me too!!!
      , 21stcentars (don't ask about the name, we took a pole. personally I voted against it!) (:


Discussion: Unofficial FAQ Notices By: fll-freak1328 01/15/2005 02:43:54 GMT
I will be using this discussion to keep people updated about
changes to the FAQ located at http://www.fll-freak.com/faq

-Skye

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/17/2004 02:23:16 GMT
    9/16/04 2017 EST

    1) General+Battery: Changed the pages to organize the material as well as make a correction to the section on how to change batteries.

    2) RIS Page: Fixed a typo in the question about extending stacks.

    3) Rules page: Deleted the section on deliverables and retrievable items due to error. Need a new paragraph!


    1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/26/2004 15:54:49 GMT
      9/26/04 0945 EST Version 04-d
      Added a description of tag-team and added Mindscripts as a legal language.

      Still could use a nice write up on deliverable and retrievable objects!

      -Skye


    2. Message by: Pennichuck1376 09/27/2004 14:29:41 GMT
      Skye:

      I know that we had a discussion last year about MindScript being a legal language. However, when I look at this year's rules I only see this:


      SOFTWARE: The robot must be programmed using LEGO MindStorms Robotics Invention System or RoboLab software (any version).


      I see in your FAQ update that you mentioned that it is not called out as a legal language 'but as it is the foundation of RIS it ia(sic) allowable'.

      I have a member on my team who was asking about NQC. Apparently she's used it in the past. I know that we can't use NQC, but I'm thinking that MindScript may be a good alternative, being a text-based system. However, I'm a bit worried that if we do that, some uninformed judge will not understand that MindScript is allowed and will disqualify us, since it is not explicitly mentioned in the rules or the Q&A. So my question is, do you know of anywhere in the rules or Q&A that explicitly states that MindScript is allowed?

      Thanks

      Paul


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/27/2004 14:44:10 GMT
        This has been a sore point in the past and I do not want
        to open old wounds. Tournament Partners are not happy as
        they must find judges that might understand Mindscripts.
        Some teams are not happy since they think that Mindscripts
        might be an open invitation to "too much" adult help.

        With all that said, I have in my hot little hands an email
        from FIRST dated this year that states that Mindscripts is legal.

        I should also mention that Mindscripts has a fairly steep
        learning curve. From what I understand, the compiler has
        very poor error reporting and in some cases reports very
        misleading messages. But on the other hand, RIS stores its
        programs as mindscripts programs that can be tweaked and
        used without having to start from scratch. I also believe
        that the absolutely stupid "My Block" inheritance bug is not
        an issue at the lower level. Of course I could be all wet.
        I am a RoboLab user and have never felt the need to explore
        anything else!

        I will make this email available for you to present to the
        judges.

        -Skye


    3. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/29/2004 02:27:48 GMT
      9/28/04 1023 EST version 04-e

      Thanks to Steve Dakin I now have a "printer friendly" version of the FAQ. Steve was kind enough to write me a Perl script to glue all the pages into on monster page. You can now print the whole thing out at once if you are so inclined.

      You can find the FAQ at http://www.fll-freak.com/faq

      -Skye


    4. Message by: RoboDocs 09/29/2004 07:57:44 GMT
      Happy to help out Skye. Thanks for all of your work on the FAQ. There is a lot of good information in there.

      =Steve


    5. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/01/2004 14:25:27 GMT
      10/01/04 0820 EST version 04-f

      Includes a new page on Mindscripts courtesy of Jon Gilchrist.


    6. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/07/2004 14:11:15 GMT
      10/07/04 0809 EST version 04-g

      Corrected the link to the web page that prints RIS programs.

      -Skye


    7. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/22/2004 21:41:06 GMT
      10/22/04 1537 EST version 04-h

      Removed all references to documents at www.hightechkids.org. The links were broken. Deep links do not seem to work anymore. :(

      -Skye


    8. Message by: Wildcats2263 10/26/2004 04:12:20 GMT
      Skye,
      I went to high tech kids. I was able to still access everything by setting up a user account from the main page (www.hightechkids.org). There wasn't any special password required to set up an account. Once you're logged in, look under training downloads for robot building and the build manual is still there.
      Monica


      1. Message by: fll-freak1328 10/26/2004 20:24:22 GMT
        I will try to update the links in the next week or two. Our qualifing tourney is just a little over a week away! EEEEECK!

        -Skye


    9. Message by: TX FLL Volunteer Moderator 10/26/2004 06:35:41 GMT
      They moved their website, the new address is
      http://mn.hightechkids.org/

      The old website still works, but this is more current. I had left both the old and the new page at my robotics website but since the deep links on the old site don't work anymore, I think I'll go ahead and remove the link to the old site.

      I did notice that when I when I used the old link, it redirected me to the new site. When I had been there about a month ago, the old page is what had displayed.


    10. Message by: fll-freak1328 01/15/2005 02:43:32 GMT
      1/14/05 1537 EST version 04-i

      Added a new page on how to ask a good question. Not that it will help, but it made me fell good!

      http://www.fll-freak.com/faq

      -Skye


Discussion: Unofficial FAQ comments By: fll-freak1328 09/17/2004 22:20:35 GMT
Please use this discussion to provide feedback on the unofficial FAQ located at http://www.fll-freak.com/faq

-Skye

  1. Message by: fll-freak1328 09/17/2004 22:20:35 GMT
    I have gotten numerous requests for all the individual FAQ
    pages combined into one for easy printing. This is a noble
    goal, but one I can't do alone.

    I am therefore looking for an individual that considers
    themselves versed in PERL. It would be nice to use PERL to
    take my multiple files and create the individual .htm files
    as well as gluing them together in the single page. It sounds
    simple, but I need to perform macro expansion at the same time.

    If you are looking for something to keep you busy during
    the FLL season , please shoot me an email at
    skye@fll-freak.com

    -Skye


Discussion: Roles & Responsibilities By: blockium1674 10/26/2004 06:18:27 GMT
OK, new brand new here :-) Can anyone give me some pointers as to how to assign roles & responsibilities. I have 10 kids ranging in age from 9 to 14 and I need to split them up so they can be productive. The older kids are generally comfortable with building and programming, but the younger kids need more help to come up to speed. Any suggestions for how best to structure the team's jobs, use our time ??

Thanks!

  1. Message by: jemath857 09/19/2004 08:17:37 GMT
    I'm fairly new at this and have a more homogenous and smaller team (9 & 10 years old) and just six kids (I would pay a lot for a few experienced students ha ha). That said, my kids are doing a pretty good job self-selecting. One thing that has worked well for me is "training" one or two students about something and then letting them work as the junior coach for other kids.

    You have a number of students who already know what they are doing. Could you let your younger/inexperienced kids self-select an area of interest and then partner them with an older/experienced child. You would have everybody quite busy and it would free you up a little bit. I've been very impressed with the quality of "instruction" from a number of the kids on my team. They really rise to the occasion when put in the role of junior coach.


    1. Message by: See-More 1298 09/20/2004 01:28:19 GMT
      Another suggestion: the team brainstorms what roles they see as being needed on the team. This year my teams came up with Master Builders, Master Programmers, Project Leaders, and Documentation. They self-selected so that we had a pair for each category. The understanding is that everyone has an opportunity to do a little of everything but that the head honcho in each area is there to guide, assign, teach, etc... They all have input and gain experience in many areas, they all learn some leadership skills, and the work gets done.

      Good luck!

      Marie - who is beginning to feel superfluous on her older, experienced team


      1. Message by: lightningwaves525 09/22/2004 01:16:39 GMT
        big confirmation on older kids rising to roles. They seem to gravitate to those positions. I have several kids who really don not understand something until they share it with someone else.

        I would favor asigning/choosing now and letting kids get used to the requirements. This worked much better for us the past three years instead of switching jobs.


    2. Message by: CrazyBots103 09/29/2004 14:11:33 GMT
      This is our second year. I have several meetings where the kids kind of all work on everything, and we try and get the new ones up to speed. Then I announce that we are going to apply for jobs at the next meeting. Everyone is to decide - do they want to be a builder or a programmer? - after that they should apply for a second job. I think this year we came up with:
      Team Manager - handles paperwork & timelines
      Parts Organizer - keeps the parts boxes together, finds what other people want, times practice runs.
      Presenter - will be main speaker for Technical & research presentations
      Robot Handler - 2 people who run the robots at the competitions.
      Historian/Recorder - takes notes & pictures, keeps logs of emails with other teams.
      On the application they have to tell me WHY I should give them that job (just like you would at a real job interview). They also have to list a 2nd and 3rd choice on jobs. I run this as a class I teach at school, and as an afternoon program at my kids school. While everybody has a job, we also go on the theory of "jack of all trades" & "other duties as assigned". Just because it's not your job doesn't mean you don't fill in if you are needed - you are working for the good of the team, not trying to prove yourself right. So our meetings are a little more chaotic than this makes them sound. Last year too we ended up with other positions as the time went on. The kids actually seem to like the idea of applying. I have large teams - 10 people usually - and this keeps the kids from getting left out. Sometimes they don't "see" where they should be.


    3. Message by: TX FLL Volunteer Moderator 09/30/2004 06:36:07 GMT
      We always has quality control as one of the roles. The job of those doing quality control was to test the robot after the builders and programmers had made modifications. It gave a fresh look to if something would work or not.

      We would try to let kids rotate the jobs to see what ones they liked best rather than have them decide in advance. For those new to FLL it would be hard to say what they liked until they knew more about what the job was.

      For the research and technical presentations, everyone participated to some extent. However the lead presenters were not the same people. They were two totally different presentations. Our programmers/builders were more interested in the technical side (builders would practice why they built a particular attachment, that sort of thing). Programmers were rarely interested in building, but they did enjoy working with the computer. Some of the kids enjoyed the research, while for others that was their least favorite portion. The lead reaseachers were not the lead programmers/builders.

      We had everyone help with documentation. Our kids were not big writers as a general rule, so we had all the kids email or write down a sentence or two about what happened that meeting and put that in the team notebook. By the end of each season, we had a pretty good log of what happened for that year.

      The two operators that were at the table for the competition would always do a lot of practice runs in the final weeks before the competition. Timing is very important during the 2.5 minute run and they need to be able t